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paratech2008
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 Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: 2009-11-16 Bi polar |
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I would think the Chinese Dragon would be up on Ying and Yang?
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| 'cept the point there is to achieve harmonious balance between the two of them, not to eradicate one in favor of the other or castigate oneself for the presence of one in the self. |
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I've been wondering: is that pit into hell the same one that was created when Big G smote Slick's laptop?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| ShadowCell wrote: | | 'cept the point there is to achieve harmonious balance between the two of them, not to eradicate one in favor of the other or castigate oneself for the presence of one in the self. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Trout wrote: | | I've been wondering: is that pit into hell the same one that was created when Big G smote Slick's laptop? |
I'm quite sure there's probably a lot more than one pit into Hell.
As for the bi-polar thing... that's very true, since God is omnipresent and all-powerful. Either the Devil is subservient to God, or God is a bald-faced liar. Either way, it doesn't detract from the essential schizophrenia of being Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all in one.
| Epicurus wrote: | Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? |
Well said, Epicurus. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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The dragon's question is pretty late. He should've asked that many years ago.
And they still dance the opposite dance of good and evil  |
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Amon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| god has issues and needs some alone time before reappearing in his next tour |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: God and Satan: BFFs? |
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| filecore wrote: | | Trout wrote: | | I've been wondering: is that pit into hell the same one that was created when Big G smote Slick's laptop? |
I'm quite sure there's probably a lot more than one pit into Hell.
As for the bi-polar thing... that's very true, since God is omnipresent and all-powerful. Either the Devil is subservient to God, or God is a bald-faced liar. Either way, it doesn't detract from the essential schizophrenia of being Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all in one.
| Epicurus wrote: | Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? |
Well said, Epicurus. |
Satan seems to have a pretty special relationship with God. He's the original sinner, the first damned to hell, and yet he can come and go whenever he pleases, even destroy the earth now and again. I sure hope I can be vile enough to earn Hell's perks package when I go there!
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paratech2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps God is going to eradicate evil at the correct moment?
I believe God is capable and willing to deal with evil, but is interested in saving as many souls as possible before it is too late for people to repent.
If God took away free will and forced everyone to do as He wanted, then people would be no different than the fallen angels, but He knew people would fail, and provided His Son as a means of Salvation. He's just waiting to see how many people take up His generous offer.
I am willing to take up His generous offer! I suggest those who are refusing it to reconsider before its too late! |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| paratech2008 wrote: | Perhaps God is going to eradicate evil at the correct moment?
I believe God is capable and willing to deal with evil, but is interested in saving as many souls as possible before it is too late for people to repent.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| paratech2008 wrote: | Perhaps God is going to eradicate evil at the correct moment?
I believe God is capable and willing to deal with evil, but is interested in saving as many souls as possible before it is too late for people to repent.
If God took away free will and forced everyone to do as He wanted, then people would be no different than the fallen angels, but He knew people would fail, and provided His Son as a means of Salvation. He's just waiting to see how many people take up His generous offer.
I am willing to take up His generous offer! I suggest those who are refusing it to reconsider before its too late! |
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| paratech2008 wrote: |
If God took away free will and forced everyone to do as He wanted, then people would be no different than the fallen angels, but He knew people would fail, and provided His Son as a means of Salvation. |
so wait:
1) if the "fallen angels" were forced to do as god wanted, how did they fall?
1b) if they fell because god wanted them to fall, then it's a little bit harsh to put them in hell, isn't it? i mean, they only did what he wanted!
2) how is being a fallen angel not a failure? one could argue that many human sins are, in essence, rebellion against got - so why do humans get saved for that, and not the angels?
3) if he knew that people, given free will, would fail, why not just give them a pass from day one? why make them wait around for christ to show up, and add on the condition of believing in him for salvation to take? is believing in god not enough?
3b) and if not enough, how does this fit in with the tripartite nature of god? doesn't that make jesus part of the father, so believing in one should be believing in the other?
3c) and where does the holy ghost fit into all this? is believing in him also a necessity for salvation? and if not, why is he/she/it even in the mix?
4) going back to one - if god knew humans would fail, and god created humans, then he created them to fail - so why does he then function for performing, essentially, as per spec?
5) because i like the number 5.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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oh, yeah - 6) (or 5 if you want to be picky) WHAT IS WITH THIS CRAZY GOD PERSON ANYWAY?
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| mouse wrote: | | 4) going back to one - if god knew humans would fail, and god created humans, then he created them to fail - so why does he then function for performing, essentially, as per spec? |
That's not quite true. That something is capable of failing to perform the function for which its creator made it does not imply that its function was to fail. For one, that doesn't even make sense. If its function was to fail (by, for example, turning itself away from God) and it fails, then it has succeeded in fulfilling its function and God is just a jerk.
It's fairer to say, in this mindset, that God created us and gave us free will knowing that we would be capable of using our will to turn away from him. Not that that solves the problem. |
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mouse
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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well, but some things function is to fail - like fuses. you get a power surge, the fuse 'fails' (i.e., blows), and in so doing, tells you that you have a problem.
maybe god should look at human 'failure' that way - it tells him when he's overstressing the system.
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