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The (other) Nuclear Option
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nathan



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: The (other) Nuclear Option Reply with quote

Obama is throwing some cash at new nuclear plants.

Good move? Would the money be better spent on wind/solar/etc? Should we have a plan to deal with the giant radioactive ants sure to run rampant? How long until the next Fallout game is released, anyway?

Weigh in, WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuclear power gets a bad rap. It's actually quite clean and efficient.


Rule of thumb: if Isaac Asimov approved of it, then I got no beef with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are others methods of clean efficient power that would be less costly and have less waste when done, but they're not popular and don't have the potential for weapons later so they don't get built.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yorick wrote:
there are others methods of clean efficient power that would be less costly and have less waste when done, but they're not popular and don't have the potential for weapons later so they don't get built.

Can you name one that's both proven and scalable?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's a thing which I half-remember that was in wired a month or two ago, I'll see if I can find it

edit: article here


(honestly tho I was really just seeing if I could rile mizikie up)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yorick wrote:
there's a thing which I half-remember that was in wired a month or two ago, I'll see if I can find it

edit: article here


(honestly tho I was really just seeing if I could rile mizikie up)


I am thoroughly riled that you are promoting one form of nuclear energy over another. *RIELS*
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yorick wrote:
there's a thing which I half-remember that was in wired a month or two ago, I'll see if I can find it

edit: article here

I wrote:
Can you name one that's both proven and scalable?
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Monkey Mcdermott



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but circling Un'Goro for hours mining Thorium is such a pain in the ass.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah, Winterspring's the only place to really farm Thorium.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuclear Power Plants are perfectly safe to live next to, its the waste you have to worry about.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Don't tempt me. Also kiddy explanations are fun. Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
Yorick wrote:
there's a thing which I half-remember that was in wired a month or two ago, I'll see if I can find it

edit: article here

I wrote:
Can you name one that's both proven and scalable?


http://www.energyjustice.net/lfg/

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/kids/energy.cfm?page=natural_gas_home-basics
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Night Spade wrote:
Nuclear Power Plants are perfectly safe to live next to, its the waste you have to worry about.

Pro Nuclear Ad


The concept of containment is most oft-joked about.

http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1488&context=lawfaculty
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, of course...no progress has been made in handling nuclear waste over the last 50 years. *cough BULLSHIT cough*

The French reprocess the waste and send it back to the reactor, minimizing the final amount of waste.

The material that can't be recycled is processed into a stable glass, a process which was partly developed right here in the midwestern US. When the spent fuel is dissolved in glass, the radioactive atoms are dispersed and locked into the semi crystalline matrix. As we all know, glass doesn't dissolve in water. This means that the radioactive material will not leak out of its enclosure until the glass spontaneously decays. Extracting the material from the glass in a purposeful way is also very difficult, thereby minimizing the threat of proliferation.

Let's recap advances in the management of nuclear waste:

Problem: lots o' waste
Solution: recycling!

Problem: waste is difficult to contain and therefore will likely contaminate ground water while in storage for the next 100,000 years
Solution: glass!

Seems to me that combining these advancements with that fancy Thorium stuff leads to a rather workable solution.

On nuclear power in general: I would rather have to deal with the disposal and management of nuclear waste (which stays on the ground) than the management of atmospheric mercury produced by coal power.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't tempt me. Also kiddy explanations are fun. Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
http://www.energyjustice.net/lfg/

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/kids/energy.cfm?page=natural_gas_home-basics

LOL.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for new clear energy and the plants that make it, as long as they don't melt or go boom.
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