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Agamemnon



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*laughs*

I see it isn't possible to have this discussion here without taking pot shots at the admin. Have fun! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon wrote:
*laughs*

I see it isn't possible to have this discussion here without taking pot shots at the admin. Have fun! Very Happy

You asked us how we could fight terrorism, and at this point it's pretty obvious that we can fairly say "Don't do what Bush did, idiot."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee could that be because its SO GOD DAMN EASY, almost as though THE ADMIN WAS CONSTANTLY FUCKING UP AND SAYING STUPID THINGS?!



nah
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I guess I'm idealistic in hoping that someone might have a genuine idea.

Not doing what someone has done covers so many possibilities. Bush didn't nuke anyone. Should we try that as a solution?

*chuckles*

I know, I know. I'm just looking for something we should do, not something we shouldn't do.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon wrote:
Oh, I guess I'm idealistic in hoping that someone might have a genuine idea.

PARDON MY FUCKING LINKS?
Just shut up and go away.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ags, what you are asking for is a viable alternative to the administration's methods, but you are asking for it within their own rules. What is being disputed is not the way they have gone after terrorism. What is being disputed is that they have gone after terrorism. They have attempted to personify a concept, and you are assuming that personification in your request. The only way to stop terrorism is to eliminate the need for it. It is a way of doing things, not an entity unto itself. Terrorism affects a country when its government fails, primarily in its diplomatic and secondarily in its security duties. The problem is not that there are lunatics out there blowing people up. There have been lunatics out there blowing people up for generations. The problem lies with the government and its failure to protect you from those lunatics. It's like a parent who is too lazy to get its children a vaccination and then tries to blame the germs. Sure, fighting the germs may help, but the germs are not the problem. The parent is. They have proven that they will not vaccinate you, only pump you full of medicine after the fact. They are the cause.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
Oh, I guess I'm idealistic in hoping that someone might have a genuine idea.

PARDON MY FUCKING LINKS?
Just shut up and go away.


My apologies, Wheels. You certainly have provided more than anybody else. It's just hard when everything seems to be about Bush rather than other ideas. I haven't had the opportunity to read those yet, but thanks! I will.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have philosophical arguments with "terrorists," and persuade them not to attack us.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Have philosophical arguments with "terrorists," and persuade them not to attack us.

Yeah, give that one a try.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd be surprised.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, Wheels. I read Bush's comments at the G8 and the comeback I have is that spreading compassion alone doesn't seem to do it. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me that most terrorists don't care what we can do for them. It seems to me that they will always find some sort of justification for committing the acts they do. It seems to me that only through our complete destruction will they stop attacking us.

As to the other link you provided, my work computer is having trouble downloading the PDF so I'll have to get home to peruse that.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you want us not to mention what bush has done and yet you want to use vague mentions of what the terrorists have done since bush began acting to refute any alternatives?

bad form
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What?

Terrorists have been proclaiming a desire for our destruction long before Bush ever took office...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are still making the assumption that terrorists are some sort of cohesive entity. You are agreeing with the fallacy of treating them like a country. You are saying "assuming that the core ideas of the Bush administration's policies are true, find another way to solve the problem on their terms." The issue is not with their methods, it is with the ideas that are behind those methods.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon wrote:
What?

Terrorists have been proclaiming a desire for our destruction long before Bush ever took office...

vs.
Agamemnon wrote:
It seems to me that they will always find some sort of justification for committing the acts they do. It seems to me that only through our complete destruction will they stop attacking us.


you are talking out of both sides of your denial-hole
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