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Agamemnon



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been trying to be honest and not become annoyed.


And don't try that tripe of "Well, I didn't mention Bush specifically." You are better than that.





Okay, that was peevish. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AG, I don't see how we cannot reference back to bush considering the name of this topic. He's been saying the same stuff for the last five years, and it's not getting anything done. Even though I'm not an american, I almost consider it a patriotic duty to point out every instance when the man talks out the other side of his arsehole. Which, unfortunately, is about 95% of the time.

I remember a topic in a rather left-leaning forum where we were challenged to come up with positive opinions of Bush. Most of what we came up with is what he hasn't done, yet. His Supreme Court nominees may pan out in the future, but that's almost wiped out by him nominating that texas lottery commissioner with no judicial experience, and forcing John Bolton onto the UN. His history of trying (and succeeding) to get his friends into key government positions is well recorded, and the records of these appointees speaks for itself.
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Agamemnon



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, same thing happened here in trying to find a "good thing" done by Bush. (old forum topic) It's like going to Rush Limbaugh and asking for something good about Clinton.

I still think it's possible to find alternatives to the way Bush is handling the fight against Terrorism without using it as an opportunity to bash Bush again and again.

Granted, it is in the title of the thread, but it's not like I enter every single thread set up to bash Bush and the Administration and a) defend the Admin, or b) ask such questions.

I think it illistrates the hatred some people seem to have for Bush. I like to think that it may be possible to move outside that and have a discussion. *shrug* Maybe not.
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Major Tom



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon wrote:
Granted, it is in the title of the thread, but it's not like I enter every single thread set up to bash Bush and the Administration and a) defend the Admin, or b) ask such questions.


it's not like virtually every thread you do actually enter you don't a) defend the Admin, or b) ask such questions.

Agamemnon wrote:
I think it illistrates the hatred some people seem to have for Bush. I like to think that it may be possible to move outside that and have a discussion. *shrug* Maybe not.


i think it illustrates a willingness to remain honest, forthright and outspoken. i think it might be possible to learn something from that.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
Granted, it is in the title of the thread, but it's not like I enter every single thread set up to bash Bush and the Administration and a) defend the Admin, or b) ask such questions.


it's not like virtually every thread you do actually enter you don't a) defend the Admin, or b) ask such questions.


I know it appears that you don't think so, but I think it's healthy to have an opposing viewpoint. I'm sorry that you don't like to hear it. I'm more sorry I'm not more eloquent.

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Agamemnon wrote:
I think it illistrates the hatred some people seem to have for Bush. I like to think that it may be possible to move outside that and have a discussion. *shrug* Maybe not.


i think it illustrates a willingness to remain honest, forthright and outspoken. i think it might be possible to learn something from that.


*laughs* Honesty sure. I'm glad you didn't mention openmindedness.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we all thought alike we'd all probably be dead. Opposing viewpoints is fine. You're just arguing from very shaky ground when it comes to GWB and his admin.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fully acknowledged!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

informed criticism != snarky potshot
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon:

You asked for ways of fighting terrorism.

Major Tom, Wheels, and Sam have all mentioned that stopping what the admin is doing is a first step. This is a direct answer to your question - the best way to get started fighting terrorism is to stop making the situation worse. This is not merely Bush-bashing, and your dismissal of it as such is unfair.

Also, thewaiter and mouse have answered you in a different way, mentioning that the framing of the question is a bad way to look at the situation, then offering advice as to forming a different (better?) perspective. Dismissing this as Bush-bashing is even more unfair.

I don't have anything new to add.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pull our people out of the middle east and afghanistan, use them to secure our borders and ports, cut the missile defense system since it really doesnt seem to work, use the money from that to fund putting air marshals on every flight coming to or flying around america. Use the money saved on not having troops on active deployment in a foreign country to ensure every city in america has their emergency services available to communicate with one another.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that isolationism is the answer either.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would you equate border security with isolationism?

border security is domestic, not foreign policy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read "not having troops on active deployment in a foreign country" as pulling all of our troops from everywhere in the world; a very isolationist stance, in my opinion. Perhaps this is not what Monkey meant.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon wrote:
I read "not having troops on active deployment in a foreign country" as pulling all of our troops from everywhere in the world; a very isolationist stance, in my opinion. Perhaps this is not what Monkey meant.


He only said to pull them out of the middle east and afghanistan.
It's not the whole world.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agamemnon wrote:
I read "not having troops on active deployment in a foreign country" as pulling all of our troops from everywhere in the world; a very isolationist stance, in my opinion. Perhaps this is not what Monkey meant.


your interpretation using only some of his words is not what he said.

you've taken the comment out of context - he said 'use the money saved...'

expanding that thought to suggest that he stated no soldier should be deployed in any foreign country is overreaching.
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