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Him
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I like the PVDA youth sections ché stickers. I mean chénge the world is a horrible pun, but for some reason I think it's clever.
Swedish elections are coming up this september, hopefully the "red-green" bloc will not fuck up so much so that we have to continue to have another four years of the "Alliance".
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Mr Gary
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Good news is, the Greens won a seat, and in N. Ireland, the Alliance party did well. I think the Alliance party are the good guys anyway.
My brain hurts.
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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For all the media hype the lib dems seem to have gone back, as far as I understand. So are we looking at a tory government here?
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Willem
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lib/lab government with the primary goal of switching to PR or if that doesn't work, a Tory minority government, I hear.
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Guest wrote: | | Shouldn't you feel just a tiny bit embarassed, tho? Just a bit? |
No.
Being more honest, yeah I actually am a bit embarrassed about mistaking the parties, which is purely due to a lack of research and foreknowledge about British politics beyond the major handful of parties (and even then, being American I really have to go looking for to find information, rather than having any just provided to me). Though there is a wee bit of "these are parties too small to accomplish anything to speak of, in a foreign country, I don't care that much" going on, still. Especially since the whole point of bringing them up was as another excuse to mock Him (on that note, has this election put a damper on your desire to sell your stocks and run away to England, Him?).
And yeah, Willem, that's about what I'm seeing. So, fairly short order before we see the next PM decided, I'm hoping?
And the other postscript, those poor, poor Lib Dems. I was really rooting for them, mostly because all the world loves an underdog. Seems like people splitting their votes between Libs and Labs hurt both, but especially Libs.
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Him
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well, seeing as the girl I was going to run away with (what was that 5 years ago?) now lives in London, why not? She's got a boyfriend now though, but yeah I was actually thinking of dropping by sometime this summer. But enough about me.
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Willem
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Here's something interesting. It's changed a bit since then, but you get the gist of it.
| Quote: | Obviously this information will change, the results are coming in live, but at the time I started typing it looked like this;
Conservatives: 10,213,492 votes / 291 seats = 35,098 votes per seat
Labour: 8,307,487 votes / 251 seats = 33,098 votes per seat
Liberal Democrats: 6,495,080 votes / 52 seats = 124,905 votes per seat
DUP: 168,216 votes / 8 seats = 21,027 votes per seat
SNP: 482,823 votes / 6 seats = 80,471 votes per seat
Sinn Féin: 150,638 votes / 4 seats = 37,660 votes per seat
Plaid Cymru: 165,394 votes / 3 seats = 55,131 votes per seat
SDLP: 107,396 votes / 3 seats = 35,799
Greens: 269,866 votes / 1 seat = 269,866 votes per seat
Alliance: 42,325 votes / 1 seat = 42,325 votes per seat
So, to rank them in order of ease of getting seats;
DUP: 21,027
Labour: 33,098
Conservatives: 35,098
SDLP: 35,799
Sinn Féin: 37,660
Alliance: 42,325
Plaid Cymru: 55,131
SNP: 80,471
Liberal Democrats: 124,905
Greens: 269,866 |
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| Him wrote: | | I like the PVDA |
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| Snorri wrote: | | Him wrote: | | I like the PVDA |
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That's a rather dishonest quotation right there. If you're going to harass anybody about liking the Partij van der
Arbeid, harass Willem. He's the one voting for them. Now the PVDA seem alright (so don't harass Willem), but I'm down with Linkse Solistische Partij.
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| Snorri wrote: | | Him wrote: | | I like the PVDA |
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Wrong PVDA, Snorri.
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From Talking Points: "The UK election turned out to be perhaps the only election I can think of where all three parties managed to lose at the same time. Each in a different way. "
Kinda like that way of putting it.
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Willem wrote: | | Snorri wrote: | | Him wrote: | | I like the PVDA |
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Wrong PVDA, Snorri. |
Last elections I found a flyer from the Pvda (BE Commies) somewhere, I was completely surprised that only 2 of the 10 proposals mentioned on them were completely insane. I'd have expected much worse. As for the others
Vlaams Belang: I'd rather be shot than voting for them, bunch of racists, who manage to combine that with complete brain-deadness. I do love how their answer to every problem is a) Independence for Flanders b) No brown people (nor everything that isn't white and even then French had better not be your first language) . You can almost take that literally, I don't think I'd be surprised if they said that separating Belgium was the answer to traffic jams or something like that.
Groen!: The green party, actually make some pretty weird proposals from time to time, but when they're in a government they usually end up supporting sensible proposals from other parties. I do hate how their issue of choice is closing down nuclear plants. The only thing that's going to achieve is that we're going to buy nuclear power from the French. I might vote for them in other elections, because they are mostly harmless, but since the nuclear issue is on the table again they're probably out.
Sp.A : Socialists, I usually think of myself as pretty left-wing, but somehow I can't bring myself to vote for them. Probably because they seem so goddamn incompetent. Also, fuck Genez (head of the party). She's wilfully sabotaging the government so the two other major parties are going to look bad. Mission successful of course, but it's nearly as much her fault we're going to get new elections as it is the VLD's.
OpenVLD : European Style Liberals, Fucked up our countries finances last time they managed to get the prime minister and I'll be damned if I vote on any list where Verhofstadt's name is on. Now they blew up the government over bloody BHV (what the hell BHV is is another post). I can understand some frustration that the issue is getting nowhere, but it has been blown so far out of proportion and keeping a government alive to solve other, valid issues was a lot more important then trying to score political points.
CD&V: Christian Democrats, pretty good chance I'll be voting for them. Pretty competent most of the time, mostly middle of the road policies. It's not that I particularly like them, it's that I don't particularly dislike them.
NV-A: I actually think of them a bit like the Green Party, some pretty strange ideas (also for Flemish independence), but usually pretty sensible. However, voting for them right now is going to put even more focus on BHV and less on the more important issues. On top of that I can only imagine how hard it will be to get Walloon parties to join a government in which NV-A is strong.
LDD: About as brain-dead as Vlaams Belang, but with less racism. Their crazy proposals are a lot more varied though. Also the only : "less government is better government" party in Flanders. The name means "List De Decker", basically a big one-man party.
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Willem
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| Quote: | | I was completely surprised that only 2 of the 10 proposals mentioned on them were completely insane. |
Out of curiosity, which ones? Some of their flyers do include some pretty insane stuff, but their main program really is sensible. If you're a socialist, that is.
| Quote: | | I do hate how their issue of choice is closing down nuclear plants. |
Yeah, that's the reason I'll never vote for them. I can get shutting down the old nuclear plants (although maybe we should be doing this when we're out of the crisis), but opposing all nuclear power? That's just insane.
| Quote: | | Probably because they seem so goddamn incompetent. Also, fuck Genez (head of the party) |
Why I won't be voting for them. I used to vote Sp.a Rood, which is a vote for the left wing of the party (so, you only vote for Sp.a Rood candidates). Anything to get rid of Gennez. She and her gang of semi-liberal, powergrabbing cunts can fuck right off.
| Quote: | | CD&V: Christian Democrats, pretty good chance I'll be voting for them. Pretty competent most of the time, mostly middle of the road policies. It's not that I particularly like them, it's that I don't particularly dislike them. |
Pretty competent? Gracefully overlooking the last three years, yes? 
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | CD&V: Christian Democrats, pretty good chance I'll be voting for them. Pretty competent most of the time, mostly middle of the road policies. It's not that I particularly like them, it's that I don't particularly dislike them. |
Pretty competent? Gracefully overlooking the last three years, yes? |
For a bit, but on the other hand, I'm not sure any other party would have done any better.
Edit: I'm not quite sure what those proposals from Pvda where, as I said it was last election. Maybe ask Him which proposals he likes most from Pvda, it might be those. |
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