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Major Tom



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ABA journal wrote:
Gays and lesbians should have the right to marry in civil ceremonies, the ABA’s policy-making House of Delegates declared on Tuesday. The measure passed on a voice vote.

A lineup of ABA leaders, both past and present, spoke in favor of the resolution. Incoming ABA President Stephen Zack asked “Why would anyone in this country not want two people who love each other to enjoy the blessings of marriage and the protections of law?”


they're obviously biased
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

538 wrote:


pfft -- real americans don't need polls to know what real americans think
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering what happened at the end of 2003 to cause that sharp swiggle. Then I read the post and noted the significance of the Massachusetts decision.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
538 wrote:


pfft -- real americans don't need polls to know what real americans think


PENIS!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He does say those regressions tend to be "sensitive on the endpoints."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a) increased visibility in pop culture?
b) death rate of old people?
c) other?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brainwashing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

on August 18th civilization will end

There is some question as to whether or not this ruling can actually be appealed. The defendant here is the State of California, and Arnold has already said that he wants to comply with Walker's ruling and start issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples right away.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What always punches me in the logic gut is now that they lost, Prop. 8 supporters are doing nothing more than appealing to the idea of "civil rights" in their rhetoric.
Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage wrote:
There is something wrong when one judge, with the stroke of the pen can strike down your civil right to vote.

Wow. There's a lot I want to say about that but I don't know where to start.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, for one, the ruling didn't do any freaky time travel vote-erasing gimmickry...

...not even of any actual resident of california's vote -- the closed-minded bias and the flimflammery of the weak-willed sheep in california is still enshrined in history.

just doesn't happen to be the end of the process
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, that's just getting ridiculous. we can still vote - we just can't vote for something that is legally indefensible.

but i'm guessing these people are thinking (or hoping) that all we need to make lynch law legal is to get a proposition passed.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's important not to pain them all like militant racists, mouse.
Still, one can't help but make a certain comparison...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm trying to remember where i read something about somewhat at a rally holding up a sign that said something like "the solution to gay marriage" - with 2 nooses on it.

but really - the judge ruled that prop 8 was denying people their civil rights. and it doesn't matter _how_ many people are misguided enough to vote for a thing like that, it's still wrong. it doesn't deprive you of your right to vote - it just says you can't make blatantly unconstitutional stuff legal just by voting for it.

ok, sorry, choir, preaching over.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
yeah, that's just getting ridiculous. we can still vote - we just can't vote for something that is legally indefensible.


but, but, that's the thing -- we can (and apparently do).

and then 'we' get our day in court, by proxy, where the legally indefensible is, nonetheless, carefully considered (we would hope), judged and (not self-righteously, mind you) righteously tossed out on 'our' ear.

it might have been nicer for the carpetbagging opponents of the lifting of the ban on gay marriage had the judge penned his opinion with a heavy hand and gritted teeth, but i think that's one of the things i like best about america -- it isn't incumbent upon justice to commiserate with morons.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're missing an "m" there, Major.
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