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Sam the Eagle



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
Sam the Eagle wrote:

There is deep suspicion against Roma by and large, given their way of life and 'hen thieves' reputations. But "immense hatred", going Godwin?, nope, that's pretty daft.

So stop being simplistic, you sound like Him on his bad days.


Perhaps I am simply trying to query on specifics related to an issue I want to know more about, and you are taking it in poor taste and reacting with unwarranted disdain.


It doesn't look like you're simply trying to listen about the ins and outs of that issue, more like ranting, foaming at the mouth stuff and and react childishly when rebuked. Don't play passive/aggressive on the forum, we know better.

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"Roma people are facing a level of persecution in europe that is hard to parallel anywhere else in the civilized world. "


That's something a 12y old would say. So expect to be treated like such in return.

btw, that's pure scorn; disdain isn't my stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Sam wrote:
Relevant info:

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The French government had planned to send 93 Gypsies, or Roma, back to Romania on Thursday, but at least 18 didn't turn up for their flights, officials said.

The expulsions come amid French concerns over how to deal with mobile populations in the expanded version of the European Union. Over the past decade, Central and East European countries including Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, whose populations are generally poorer than West Europeans, have joined the EU. Most of Europe's estimated 11 million Gypsies live in the east. The EU guarantees freedom of movement to citizens of member states, but only on condition that they can support themselves.

French Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux said the problem was illegal camps. "We are enforcing simple rules," he said. "One cannot just illegally occupy land without authorization."

The returns on Thursday were part of a "voluntary" repatriation program, in which each adult is granted €300 (about $390) and each minor €100 for returning to his or her country of origin. Those who stay too long in France and who don't choose to return under the program voluntarily will later receive an order from the government to leave the country anyway, though such orders are sometimes difficult to enforce.

France has been expelling foreign Gypsies for the past few years—an estimated 12,000 were deported in 2009, according to Alexandre Le Clève, a spokesman for advocacy group Rom Europe. There have been 25 rounds of expulsions already this year, according to the Interior Ministry, which didn't give the total number of people involved.


insofar as I understand the situation, what with the protests, anti-roma violence, expulsions from various assorted sundry european states including the big one in italy, roma are so hated over there that it isn't even funny, and a kid who grows up roma will have to deal with poverty, low life expectancy, and a phenomenal amount of cultural prejudice.

However, on the other hand, the Roma don't help themselves any, either. Theirs is a sociopathic and entrapping culture that is rife with violence, drug use, child abuse, and children are trained essentially to not regard outsiders as anything but easy marks.

Even the most tolerant people I know say that they absolutely, absolutely do not trust roma and that the camps are terrible things that they really do want as far away from them as possible. Most people encounter roma as grifters and swindlers who 'come by' to help you put your bags in your car outside the supermarket, and children are enlisted and given costumes to constantly and aggressively panhandle alongside their parents.

so.

idk what you all think about the whole deal.


Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities will murder people for money.

Blackmarket organs, child trafficking, crazy shit.

You cannot defend Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities and Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities lifestyle, and I say lifestyle because it is a lifestyle of choice.

There exist occasions where extremely tolerant people have given Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities jobs out of a family store, only to be completely robbed blind.

I have no pity for them, there are simply too many reasons to list.


I did say on the first page that I have first hand experience, a close friend who is of ethnic Roma origins who has recently returned to her roots in Hungary, as she has many times before, and did not have or witness anything like the experiences you are describing.

I'm sorry this is just a personal anecdote and not something I can back up with a... wait, I guess it's not something you're planning to back up either, so there you go!

As far as I am concerned, anyone who feels they can describe a race, an ethnicity, a tribe, or any group of people by the actions of some of that group of people is a bigot.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam the Eagle wrote:
Sam wrote:
Sam the Eagle wrote:

There is deep suspicion against Roma by and large, given their way of life and 'hen thieves' reputations. But "immense hatred", going Godwin?, nope, that's pretty daft.

So stop being simplistic, you sound like Him on his bad days.


Perhaps I am simply trying to query on specifics related to an issue I want to know more about, and you are taking it in poor taste and reacting with unwarranted disdain.


It doesn't look like you're simply trying to listen about the ins and outs of that issue, more like ranting, foaming at the mouth stuff and and react childishly when rebuked. Don't play passive/aggressive on the forum, we know better.

Quote:
"Roma people are facing a level of persecution in europe that is hard to parallel anywhere else in the civilized world. "


That's something a 12y old would say. So expect to be treated like such in return.

btw, that's pure scorn; disdain isn't my stuff.


wow!

This is really the pot calling the kettle foaming at the mouth when the kettle doesn't really seem to be foaming at the mouth all that much but the pot is still screaming FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING KETTLE CUNT, FUCK YOU and just foaming all over the shop.
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Thy Brilliance



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: I hate people equally Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
Thy Brilliance wrote:
Sam wrote:
Relevant info:

Quote:
The French government had planned to send 93 Gypsies, or Roma, back to Romania on Thursday, but at least 18 didn't turn up for their flights, officials said.

The expulsions come amid French concerns over how to deal with mobile populations in the expanded version of the European Union. Over the past decade, Central and East European countries including Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, whose populations are generally poorer than West Europeans, have joined the EU. Most of Europe's estimated 11 million Gypsies live in the east. The EU guarantees freedom of movement to citizens of member states, but only on condition that they can support themselves.

French Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux said the problem was illegal camps. "We are enforcing simple rules," he said. "One cannot just illegally occupy land without authorization."

The returns on Thursday were part of a "voluntary" repatriation program, in which each adult is granted €300 (about $390) and each minor €100 for returning to his or her country of origin. Those who stay too long in France and who don't choose to return under the program voluntarily will later receive an order from the government to leave the country anyway, though such orders are sometimes difficult to enforce.

France has been expelling foreign Gypsies for the past few years—an estimated 12,000 were deported in 2009, according to Alexandre Le Clève, a spokesman for advocacy group Rom Europe. There have been 25 rounds of expulsions already this year, according to the Interior Ministry, which didn't give the total number of people involved.


insofar as I understand the situation, what with the protests, anti-roma violence, expulsions from various assorted sundry european states including the big one in italy, roma are so hated over there that it isn't even funny, and a kid who grows up roma will have to deal with poverty, low life expectancy, and a phenomenal amount of cultural prejudice.

However, on the other hand, the Roma don't help themselves any, either. Theirs is a sociopathic and entrapping culture that is rife with violence, drug use, child abuse, and children are trained essentially to not regard outsiders as anything but easy marks.

Even the most tolerant people I know say that they absolutely, absolutely do not trust roma and that the camps are terrible things that they really do want as far away from them as possible. Most people encounter roma as grifters and swindlers who 'come by' to help you put your bags in your car outside the supermarket, and children are enlisted and given costumes to constantly and aggressively panhandle alongside their parents.

so.

idk what you all think about the whole deal.


Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities will murder people for money.

Blackmarket organs, child trafficking, crazy shit.

You cannot defend Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities and Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities lifestyle, and I say lifestyle because it is a lifestyle of choice.

There exist occasions where extremely tolerant people have given Some Roma Communities and individuals within Roma communities jobs out of a family store, only to be completely robbed blind.

I have no pity for them, there are simply too many reasons to list.


I did say on the first page that I have first hand experience, a close friend who is of ethnic Roma origins who has recently returned to her roots in Hungary, as she has many times before, and did not have or witness anything like the experiences you are describing.

I'm sorry this is just a personal anecdote and not something I can back up with a... wait, I guess it's not something you're planning to back up either, so there you go!

As far as I am concerned, anyone who feels they can describe a race, an ethnicity, a tribe, or any group of people by the actions of some of that group of people is a bigot.


I clearly specified and criticized a lifestyle and deplorable actions, not a race.

Genetics doesn't have anything to do with this.

I cannot have pity for people who act in that way, no matter what their race might be.
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Thy Brilliance



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Pointing out the obvious. Reply with quote

nathan wrote:
Having seen your track record, I assume that's conjecture.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: I hate people equally Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:

I cannot have pity for people who act in that way, no matter what their race might be.


That's fine. But you haven't shown that they act in that way. You've just made that up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: I hate people equally Reply with quote

picturesofsky wrote:
Thy Brilliance wrote:

I cannot have pity for people who act in that way, no matter what their race might be.


That's fine. But you haven't shown that they act in that way. You've just made that up.


Sounds like a challenge.

Oh wait.. there's the "high profile" Veszprém stabbing, those silly "romi" gangs aren't they lovable.

http://www.errc.org/cikk.php?cikk=2294

Sounds like an apologist to me, but what do I know?

should I continue?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
wow!

This is really the pot calling the kettle foaming at the mouth when the kettle doesn't really seem to be foaming at the mouth all that much but the pot is still screaming FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING KETTLE CUNT, FUCK YOU and just foaming all over the shop.

Shut up, Hadley. Sam the Eagle (the Good Sam) is right. The Bad Sam isn't adding anything to the discussion, in so far as there is one. He's just going 'Lol no' when presented with anything resembling an opinion different from his.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: I hate people equally Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:


I clearly specified and criticized a lifestyle and deplorable actions, not a race.

Genetics doesn't have anything to do with this.

I cannot have pity for people who act in that way, no matter what their race might be.


Except you didn't, you referred to Roma in general.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but he (sam the eagle) is doing it in a pretty frothy way, whereas he (sam) doesn't seem to be quite so frothing. Or frothing at all.

Thy: maybe in future you want to be slightly more specific than 'they'.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they know who they are
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject: Blunt statements really do save me time. Reply with quote

Bart wrote:
Thy Brilliance wrote:


I clearly specified and criticized a lifestyle and deplorable actions, not a race.

Genetics doesn't have anything to do with this.

I cannot have pity for people who act in that way, no matter what their race might be.


Except you didn't, you referred to Roma in general.


Your inference is not my reference.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:50 am    Post subject: Tautology Reply with quote

Major Tom wrote:
they know who they are


We always know who we are.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
Yes, but he (sam the eagle) is doing it in a pretty frothy way, whereas he (sam) doesn't seem to be quite so frothing. Or frothing at all.

They both seem to be reasonably calm, really.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Trust is a commodity Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
Yes, but he (sam the eagle) is doing it in a pretty frothy way, whereas he (sam) doesn't seem to be quite so frothing. Or frothing at all.

Thy: maybe in future you want to be slightly more specific than 'they'.


Maybe we'd all be better off if we had good faith arguments.
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