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Sam



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought we were hating on the Project for the New American Century, from what all this whole torturing people and wars of aggression things was onc e again wrought in our name.

Maybe we're hating on all of them at once and the end result is to be semi-hopelessly jaded. Oh well.

orrrrrrrrrrrrr wait, wait, lets see if I can stir up something

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Sam



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, I think I should post something that Hunter S. Thompson wrote The Day After.

My first impulse is to describe it as 'psychic,' but really it's just the spot-on intuition of someone who balled himself cynically right up into the gears of politics and industry and just knew how it was going to work.

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The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives.

It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy. Osama bin Laden may be a primitive "figurehead" -- or even dead, for all we know -- but whoever put those All-American jet planes loaded with All-American fuel into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon did it with chilling precision and accuracy. The second one was a dead-on bullseye. Straight into the middle of the skyscraper.

Nothing -- even George Bush's $350 billion "Star Wars" missile defense system -- could have prevented Tuesday's attack, and it cost next to nothing to pull off. Fewer than 20 unarmed Suicide soldiers from some apparently primitive country somewhere on the other side of the world took out the World Trade Center and half the Pentagon with three quick and costless strikes on one day. The efficiency of it was terrifying.

We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or what will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once. Who knows? Not even the Generals in what remains of the Pentagon or the New York papers calling for WAR seem to know who did it or where to look for them.

This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed -- for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now. He will declare a National Security Emergency and clamp down Hard on Everybody, no matter where they live or why.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I literally just read that passage in Kingdom of Fear an hour ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I so didn't realize HST was still alive then (and, in fact, until 2005, apparently)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always been unsure about Allende. Things could be more ambiguous than it seems to be. I'm inclined to file the guy as "socialist myth" like Guevara.

Praising Allende is made much easier as we will never know WHAT would have been the effects of his politics.

On the contrary, we know all the good that Pinochet produced. I feel more empathy for his victims (and their families) than for a few contraried revolutionaries who still hope the proletarian internationalism will come from Chavez.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You... what? Allende's dead but because Him and his friends are annoying, it's okay?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chocolatefan wrote:
No TLDR summary?


Chile was attacked on september 11th years before america was.

If you take Willems words it was a horrible tragedy with a conincidental date.

Because hes a communist propagandist though, Hims makes it feel like "Fuck you America get your own tragedy date."
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorri wrote:
But honestly, people here have pretty much already accepted that the US government has done some fucking evil shit in the past and present. The number of anti-communism coups that the US supported is pretty fucked up, but shit a few years ago the US military was ordered to torture POW's so excuse everybody for being cynical.


I think generally any country with enough power eventually ends up doing a lot of messed up shit that its citizens rarely find out about until after its already been carried out. Watched this John Oliver stand up routine, "Terrifying Times" on Netflix Streaming recently.. the majority of it wasn't funny, but at the beginning he's talking about the differences between America and England and I had to laugh when he was like,

John Oliver wrote:
Its not your fault! America receives so much criticism for what it does now with its foreign policy, when the only mistake you made is that you're doing what you're doing now in the era of 24 hour news. We didn't do that. In many ways that was our single slice of genius. I, for one, am glad the Amritsar Massacre in India was captured only in watercolor. There wasn't an awkward looking reporter with a monocle and a handlebar mustache standing in front of it saying "Uh oh, bit of a kerfuffle here. This has excalated into something of a ballywho. Details are sketchy. This has been Barnaby Whappleforth, back to you in the studio. Wat wat."

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catel wrote:
I have always been unsure about Allende. Things could be more ambiguous than it seems to be. I'm inclined to file the guy as "socialist myth" like Guevara.
Praising Allende is made much easier as we will never know WHAT would have been the effects of his politics.

Well no shit dude, but so what?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The conclusion is that Pinochet is a cunt. Kissinger is a cunt. The US has been an incredible cunt. And you should feel bad.


Yes, lets all PERSONALLY feel bad about things the government did a decade or more before many of us were born.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
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The conclusion is that Pinochet is a cunt. Kissinger is a cunt. The US has been an incredible cunt. And you should feel bad.


Yes, lets all PERSONALLY feel bad about things the government did a decade or more before many of us were born.

It's called empathy. You should try it sometime.

Also note that I was adressing everyone, not just you 'muricans. Whatever dude, you go on fighting the good fight.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willem wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
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The conclusion is that Pinochet is a cunt. Kissinger is a cunt. The US has been an incredible cunt. And you should feel bad.


Yes, lets all PERSONALLY feel bad about things the government did a decade or more before many of us were born.

It's called empathy. You should try it sometime.

Also note that I was adressing everyone, not just you 'muricans. Whatever dude, you go on fighting the good fight.


If you feel so bad about it invest time or money in making it right, spending time "feeling bad" is worse than useless to the people actually affected by it. Knowing it occured should be enough for not making the same mistake. Feeling guilt for things you had nothing to do with is fucking stupid.

Here ya go King Leopold the second of belgium was a Cunt, his people were cunts and you should all feel bad, because this country to this day has failed to recover from its exploitation at the hands of belgium.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
at the hands of belgium.


reference not intended, i hope
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
If you feel so bad about it invest time or money in making it right, spending time "feeling bad" is worse than useless to the people actually affected by it. Knowing it occured should be enough for not making the same mistake. Feeling guilt for things you had nothing to do with is fucking stupid.

By Jove! You've disproven empathy! That's amazing!

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Here ya go King Leopold the second of belgium was a Cunt, his people were cunts and you should all feel bad, because this country to this day has failed to recover from its exploitation at the hands of belgium.

Oh man, if it were only that. The whole Lumumba affair and the support given to leaders in Katanga and to Mobutu were far, far worse and had a much larger effect on Congo today. That said, the US was involved in all of that too. Woops!

Anyway, you're a huge manchild. If you thought you were making some sort of big point by throwing Leopold II in my face (like I don't know much more about Belgium's history than you ever will), you're sorely mistaken.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, what?

No, Leopold the Deuce was pretty much the worst thing to ever happen to the African continent. Don't be ridiculous.

Which does not exonerate the US from actions in Latin America nor from other parts of the world.
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