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What is american culture? Does it exist?
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Sam



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:53 am    Post subject: sadfhS;AOFsdofh Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
So you're telling me that the slow pace of three posts a day when I don't post here is an improvement?


yes, any more easy questions pl0x
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
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I re-read this entire thread and I've come to a conclusion. I think that America, as big and diverse as it is, is just now finally reaching a point where a cohesive cultural identity is really starting to emerge.

That's retarded. I suppose nothing much "American" happened in the 1800s or most of the 1900s? And you're basing this on the recent use of the word "alternative" as a genre adjective?

You mean that wasn't highly derivative of being some type of European concept and/or mainly profit driven in it's conception? Considering that during that time period most of the 'great' artists and artisans still went over to Europe to study? Then, with some music and a few works of literature being the exception, that is what I'm saying.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
You mean that wasn't highly derivative of being some type of European concept and/or mainly profit driven in it's conception?

What does being "derivative" mean in terms of culture? Do you know how much Greek culture is derived from Slavic? How much Roman from Greek? How much English from German? This is how cultures develop, they don't spring out from a vacuum. Frankly I think the best thing to happen to American music was shameless theft from European and African traditions.
As for "profit-driven," what does that have to do with anything objective?

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Considering that during that time period most of the 'great' artists and artisans still went over to Europe to study?

Mark Twain, Fats Domino, Thomas Edison (a man who personified "profit-driven"), Walt Whitman... This is a stupid game.

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Then, with some music and a few works of literature being the exception, that is what I'm saying.

That's why it's stupid. Anything I toss out there you can lump under "being the exception." It's nuts. Do you honestly not think that even post-colonial America, even in the earliest of the 1800s wasn't plainly different from Europe culturally? Prove it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imma let you finish, Thy, Imma let you finish, but DragonWriter was one of the least welcome 'festers ev...

Wait, you say you're already finished, because you only had one sentence to blurt out incoherently? And that there's a very strong argument for you being less well liked than even DW? Well damn.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Complain to someone who cares. Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
Thy Brilliance wrote:
So you're telling me that the slow pace of three posts a day when I don't post here is an improvement?


yes, any more easy questions pl0x


Here's a thought.

Convince tat to ban me or fuck off.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Complain to someone who cares. Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Here's a thought.

Convince tat to ban me or fuck off.


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BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Complain to someone who cares. Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Sam wrote:
Thy Brilliance wrote:
So you're telling me that the slow pace of three posts a day when I don't post here is an improvement?


yes, any more easy questions pl0x


Here's a thought.

Convince tat to ban me or fuck off.


Great work, buddy!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Sam wrote:
Thy Brilliance wrote:
So you're telling me that the slow pace of three posts a day when I don't post here is an improvement?


yes, any more easy questions pl0x


Here's a thought.

Convince tat to ban me or fuck off.


Aww, I touched a nerve!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject: Neither do false dilemmas. Reply with quote

Deadened nerves don't work that way.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Neither do false dilemmas. Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Deadened nerves don't work that way.

tinkeringIdiot wrote:
BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh shit! I bet this is all a clever cover to hide the fact he's really a vampire. Or writes emo poems.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to admit, there are times when I can kinda see where Darq is coming from with his first post. I mean, I still don't know anything about Snooky, but like this morning, one of the top stories on the Yahoo frontpage was "Secrets of Kim Kardashian's success." And I don't really know anything about Kim Kardashian, either, but apparently her route to success went something like this:
1. Make a sex tape
2. Hang out with Paris Hilton
3. Get a reality show
4. Date athletes
etc.

So maybe she's a wonderful person, I don't know, but the article certainly said nothing to indicate that she's ever really done anything notable, or that she has any particular talent, or that there's any reason for her to be elevated to the level of celebrity that she has been.

So, when the most prominent elements of modern American culture seem to revolve around vapid "reality show" stars, crappy bestsellers like Twilight, and things like that, then I can kinda Darq's original point, I think.

That said, I don't think it makes any sense to go from there to damning American culture as a whole.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that what she's famous for? i honestly don't know why these Kardashian people are famous. i thought they were some kind of warlike alien species from Star Trek.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
Oh shit! I bet this is all a clever cover to hide the fact he's really a vampire. Or writes emo poems.
"or"?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Puma, the main argument here isn't whether stupid shit gets popular, it's whether this is any different from other periods in history. That we have vapid entertainment, questionably talented famous people, and a voyeuristic news media (if not, perhaps, a national consciousness) isn't really under dispute. But other periods had these same things, and worse (depending on your definition of worse), we've just glossed over them in our romanticization of the past. People have always been petty and lurid. We just get those qualities shoved in our faces now, while we bury the same in our past.
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