Sinfest

[kame]

I shouldn't need to post links, they're everywhere. But I love The Guardian so you can read it there, or anywhere.

Highlights from the first round:

- Medvedev is Robin to Putin's Batman. The jokes write themselves.
- Burloscolli ought to spend less time partying, more time trying to govern Italy.
- Saudi Arabia tries to put the spurs to america to bomb Iran, who knew?
- The King of Jordan stating that a two-state solution is the only way is a secret in America.

Plus oodles more embarrassing shit sure to make Hilary Clinton's face even cuntier looking.

[Sam the Eagle]

Each and every nat main newspaper will do an audit of the leaks. For a change, I'll dive head first then look up for nuggets
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[picturesofsky]

Woooah

[mouse]

.....um.

to be brutally honest, the only thing on that list that surprises me is that a senior chinese politburo member was sufficiently computer-savvy to search for his own name on google, and then organize a hacker attack. i thought those guys were all, like, 150 years old.


i mean, we can all pretend to be shocked that it's out in the open, but is there anything really earthshakingly new?
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[Michael]

that's my thoughts on most scoops so far

There are a couple of interesting ones though, like the fact that there are US nuclear weapons in the Netherlands, which has finally been confirmed.

I expect the more interesting things will emerge once people _use_ this information, I can easily imagine it leading experts in some field or other to put 2 and 2 together and figure stuff out.

Existing court cases concerning things like guantanamo are also gonna be a lot more interesting

[nathan]

At the very least, the UN spying bit ought to make it awkward finding a place to sit in the cafeteria.

"Do you want one of my apple wedges... or do you already have some?"
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[WheelsOfConfusion]

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ny03_king/kingsupportsprosecutionofwikileaks.html

Ugh.

[Michael]

... riiiight. Shady deals don't present a clear and/or present danger to the united states, which reserves the right to do as it pleases, internationally.
Then again, I guess they're taking this tone to suppress any suggestion of a debate about the validity of current military missions. So far it seems to be successful.

I'm also still curious why an australian living in sweden(?) should care about US law. It's really very strange to see how all these press releases approach it as a US matter rather than an international one, to be dealt with under US law and judged by US values. It suggests to me that internally these institutions act as if the US rules the world, their spokespeople carry this tone so naturally that I can only assume they've matured professionally in a climate where this view of rightful US supremacy is taken for granted.

[ShadowCell]

or it's US government documents that they keep releasing

[WheelsOfConfusion]

Wikileaks isn't the one leaking the documents, though. They're just publishing what's leaked already, kind of like a newspaper.

[Michael]

[Mizike]

[WheelsOfConfusion]

[ShadowCell]

[Guest]

The rub is more the implication that he should be subjected in accordance to US law.

And frankly, yes, it's not. It's a matter of jurisdiction. When you're outside US territory, you cannot be subjected to US law. Besides, the cat's out of the bag and once out it concerns everyone. Hence, international.