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ShadowCell
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| and now the talking heads are trotting out the WMDs |
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Set
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what the hell would nuking libya do to benefit anybody?
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ShadowCell
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| oh, i meant they're running around telling us how Qaddafi has WMDs so that's a reason to pursue this. |
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Which talking heads said that? I haven't been watching any television coverage.
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ShadowCell
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on MSNBC, there was James Rubin, one of Bill Clinton's Assistant Secretaries of State; i think General Barry McCaffery brought it up too; Marc Ginsberg, a former US ambassador to Morocco, i believe; and someone whose name i didn't catch from Al Arabiya
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Why are they bothering? I mean, I know America's usual schtick is starting illegal wars and finding excuses, but really - aside from Chavez and Gadaffi - who's going to object? Or is supporting pro-democracy fighters and preventing a brutal repression not quite enough for these people?
Anyway, it's kind of sad to see the difference in reaction between the several revolutions. Guess they're only pro-democracy fighters if they aren't fighting America's puppet regimes.
Edit: To clarify, I'm terribly wary about this whole thing myself.
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| Willem wrote: | Why are they bothering? I mean, I know America's usual schtick is starting illegal wars and finding excuses, but really - aside from Chavez and Gadaffi - who's going to object? Or is supporting pro-democracy fighters and preventing a brutal repression not quite enough for these people?
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Well....Fox viewers...
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110320/ap_on_re_af/af_libya
| Quote: | ...The U.S. military said 112 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from American and British ships and submarines at more than 20 coastal targets to clear the way for air patrols to ground Libya's air force. French fighter jets fired the first salvos, carrying out several strikes in the rebel-held east, while British fighter jets also bombarded the North African nation.
The strikes, which were aimed at enforcing a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone, were a sharp escalation in the international effort to stop Gadhafi after weeks of pleading by the rebels who have seen early gains reversed as the regime unleashed the full force of its superior air power and weaponry.
President Barack Obama said military action was not his first choice and reiterated that he would not send American ground troops to Libya.
"This is not an outcome the U.S. or any of our partners sought," Obama said from Brazil, where he is starting a five-day visit to Latin America. "We cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people there will be no mercy."... |
We shall see, we shall see
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| Snorri wrote: | | Willem wrote: | Why are they bothering? I mean, I know America's usual schtick is starting illegal wars and finding excuses, but really - aside from Chavez and Gadaffi - who's going to object? Or is supporting pro-democracy fighters and preventing a brutal repression not quite enough for these people?
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Well....Fox viewers... |
Aren't they just happy to blow up brown people? Or is "They have WMD's" code for "They're very, very brown."?
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Mizike
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To be fair, this is France and England's baby. The U.S. is just along for the ride.
Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing. Normally I would not want to intervene in a civil war, but it is hard to say Gadhafi has any legitimacy. I'm not sure if that should be enough reason for the world to insert itself. I just hope it's over swiftly.
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Willem
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| Mizike wrote: | | To be fair, this is France and England's baby. The U.S. is just along for the ride. |
To be fair, the current world power is never "just along for the ride". The US is just lucky that both France and GB love being reminded of their "glorious" past by pushing around weak nations. Y'know, as long as they have their buddies with them and big brother US to fall back on.
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| Willem wrote: | | Snorri wrote: | | Willem wrote: | Why are they bothering? I mean, I know America's usual schtick is starting illegal wars and finding excuses, but really - aside from Chavez and Gadaffi - who's going to object? Or is supporting pro-democracy fighters and preventing a brutal repression not quite enough for these people?
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Aren't they just happy to blow up brown people? Or is "They have WMD's" code for "They're very, very brown."? |
Well Fox could never, ever admit that an action by Obama is the correct one. So they're gonna say that this war is WRONGZORS AND PROOF THAT OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST or something.
Which is why "he has WMD's" is being used to give the government a better stance.
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Dogen
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The far right wing is also isolationist, don't forget. It's a natural extension of their fear of non-whites and poor people.
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