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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 14855 Location: under the bed

silly nate, and his assumptions about voting rights!
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ShadowCell · Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 4449 Location: California

spoiler alert: this appears to actually be part of the GOP's plan

Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 8539 Location: Bellingham, WA

This was the most interesting part of that survey. Either likely voters don't use roads, public utilities, hospitals, or go to school... Or they're the victims of some cognitive biases... I'll wager they're right: they all drive off-road, home school, produce their own electricity, purify their own water, and treat their own wounds.

mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 14855 Location: under the bed

was this the rasmussen survey, or the fox?
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 8539 Location: Bellingham, WA

The Fox study CTrees linked as corroboration.

I just love me some cognitive biases. They're my favorite thing!
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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 14855 Location: under the bed

those answers totally make sense for a fox audience. "yeah, all them commie liberal pinko democrats are sucking at the government teat, but not me!"
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 8539 Location: Bellingham, WA

They didn't poll Fox viewers, though.

I think "government services" is this vague term that people define differently. I would have liked to see them follow up 20 by asking them to define the term (does everyone list direct assistance like welfare but neglect indirect services like water?). I'd be willing to bet that people who defined services narrowly are more likely to say they don't depend on them. I even wonder if there's an ideological divide. I could see someone who discounts indirect services would be more likely to support small government (a different population from people who recognize the scope of services and want to get rid of them).

All theory, but one I wish they'd tested!
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Sam · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 8567

Yeah to go back to all of my other posts that said "yo this election is pretty much over" yo this election is pretty much over

election right now is a flowchart. Right now we are on "does something happen which massively benefits romney at the detriment of obama's support" and if the answer is no, no such radical event occurs, it's just a straight line to "obama wins"

Willem · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 6301 Location: wasteland style

Obama could literally eat a baby on national television and Romney would manage to fuck it up by declaring Obama's baby-eating skills to be inferior and demonstrating this by eating two babies himself. Two black babies. He's done.
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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 14855 Location: under the bed

i think what the poll (or some poll) needs is a combination of what dogen and him are talking about - give people a list of services, and then have them check off which are government services. i think this would be more useful than having people just list them off, because what comes out is what's on top of your mind. like, i know about things like environmental regulation and water and the judicial system, but i would probably start listing medical things. back when i was working in environmental monitoring, i would have started with the environmental things. if i failed to mention medicare, would that mean that i didn't know medicare was a government service, or that i just wasn't thinking much about medicare at that point in my life.

i think it would be interesting to quantify what people think the government does and doesn't do. because clearly, a lot of people need some education on that point.
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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 14855 Location: under the bed

Darqcyde · Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject:

This shit is like Santorum level of classy:
Mother of slain Navy SEAL: Romney shouldn’t politicize her son’s death
By Max Zimbert | The Ticket – 2 hrs 24 mins ago

eureka00 · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 1706 Location: Pretzel City

I haven't posted about it yet, but the semi-famous "Bainport"/Sensata plant is in my hometown of Freeport, IL which is where I live currently too.

http://www.journalstandard.com/features/x2051150638/Durbin-visits-Bainport-site?zc_p=1

Yes, before anyone says anything I know Romney hasn't been part of Bain for over a decade blah blah thanks I get it. Anyways, Al Sharpton will be there this Saturday and The Ed Show will be broadcasting from there Live.

On a personal note, my father worked at that plant for over 35 years. My Aunt worked there for 30 some odd years. My father-in-law worked there. My grandmother worked there. Various other relatives have worked there on and off throughout the years. My brother and I both worked there over summers in college. It's a sad thing to see so many of those jobs that sustained my family and countless others go overseas. I'm not sure if we'll ever see those jobs back no matter what either candidate does. Sad

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Kenshiro · Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Posts: 38

Anyone who claims that they completely don't need government and/or don't get any measurable benefits from it is clearly insane and not in touch with the world around them.

HOWEVER:

There is a difference in the way this logic is stated and the way it is often used. The idea that we all benefit from having certain government programs and regulations in place is obvious, but this argument is often used to support the idea that if some government is good then more must be better, and there is a logical fallacy between those two ideas; the one very much does NOT guarantee the other.