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That's fucked up. Seriously.
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Guest · Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2178

I mean I know the U.S. college tuition goes up $10,000 or more, and to this day I don't even... but the Netherlands? Derp?
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Arc Tempest · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 4596 Location: Oregon

Horatio Alger.

That is all.
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Willem · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 6306 Location: wasteland style

It's €600-ish in Belgium, unless you qualify for a grant. And if you think "I may qualify for a grant", congratulations, you probably do.

Las: That's for an entire year.
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9515 Location: Bellingham, WA

Yeah, but your system is socialist so... *waves hands* you know. Something. It's obviously not good. The US may have the most expensive education, but it's the best education in the world! That's why you send your kids here for college (I am assuming this happens). *

Actually the US ranks 12th in the world for the rate of post-secondary completion, after countries like New Zealand, Russia (55.5%!), and Canada (55.8%). Canada, on average, has some of the highest interest rates charged on student loans, but they also have some of the most wide-spread remission (debt forgiveness) programs. In the US loan forgiveness is limited to certain fields (mostly education and healthcare). Dollar-wise, Germany gives the greatest amount of forgiveness to the greatest number of students. Germany and the Netherlands have some of the lowest rates of student loan debt at graduation, while the US ranks #3 worldwide for average student loan debt (and this is from a 2005 report - we may be #1 now!).

So... our education is expensive, students graduate with a lot of debt, and as a result only roughly 40% of us attain either an associate's (2-year) degree or higher.

* I just wanted to have the healthcare debate again... sorry Sad

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Mini J · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 1127 Location: Toronto, ON

We do? How do I get some remissioning done?

Though come to think of it, the Alberta govt. did forgive slightly over $9000 when I graduated...

Now to learn more about this remission program... To the googletorium!
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Mizike · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 5120 Location: Iowa City

Willem · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 6306 Location: wasteland style

It's pretty rare though. There are enough prestigious universities here in Europe, after all. And if we want to pay massive amounts of cash for the pleasure, we just go to Britain.

That said, saying you went to Harvard sounds good everywhere.
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Mizike · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 5120 Location: Iowa City

Rare relative to what? We have 11 Dutch students and 3 Belgians (undergrad and grad combined) at a good-but-not-elite midwestern University with little name recognition outside of regional and academic circles. It would be safe to say that these are not atypical numbers for comparable universities (Public Ivies) -- in fact, they are likely low since I know many public ivies have a larger number of international students on campus. When you throw in numbers for the big-name schools as well, it's actually not all that rare in terms of raw numbers.

I'd also be very comfortable saying that there are more (that is, a higher percentage of) Europeans studying in the US than Youessians studying in Europe, but I suspect that might be due to cultural factors as much as anything.

Edit: and please do not mistake this for me trying to say that European Universities are not prestigious or excellent in their own right -- I'm not trying to say that at all.
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Mr_Moustache · Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject:

I think the main reason is just the ability to study abroad. Besides that, exchange students would also be counted in those 10?. the UvA alone has like close to ten partner universities in the US, and six or so in Canada. I mean, for us the US is kinda a big deal, since the image of it has been conveyed to us from birth by all the movies, tv-shows etc.

Also, student work ethics here are different: we don't look at grades that much, gpa, honors titles etc. If you get a C then it is fine; a lot more emphasis is placed on extracurricular activities such as commissions, a board of a student association, newspapers, internships, jobs. Competition in regular universities is pretty meek, besides business and law.
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