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Guest

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2163
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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If the RIAA has so much power, why haven't they shut down the hundreds upon hundreds of torrent sites that currently exist, streaming their precious copyrighted music all day every day? If they have so much power, why haven't they shut down The Pirate Bay that has a section dedicated to mocking companies who use scare tactics to make them remove torrents on their site?
Do you honestly think this bill will somehow overwrite international law?
Get some common fucking sense, for crying out loud. _________________ "Apparently so. But suppose you throw a coin enough times, suppose one day. . . it lands on its edge."
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Dogen

Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9297 Location: Bellingham, WA
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government |
No, it isn't, but then nothing in either bill requires the government to have physical access to the servers...
| Quote: | | nor is it their property, |
... or to own them...
| Quote: | | nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. |
... but this is irrelevant. If the server is in the US, then it's subject to US law regardless of who owns it.
| Quote: | | Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional. |
This seems tautological. You're saying that it will never pass because so many people are opposed to it, or be challenged before it takes effect, so why are so many people worried about it? We have to be vociferously opposed in order for it not to pass... and if it does pass there's a good chance our court system will eventually uphold it. We have an excellent track record of siding with property rights holders in complaints (even crazy ones), and it would be silly to assume that it would be struck down by SCOTUS (at least without some really compelling evidence).
Now, could the US government take down any site they want? Probably not. Could they take down enough to massively fuck with your day? Absolutely. _________________ "Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I’ll do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman |
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Martian Kyo

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 1447
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: |
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for some reason disabling javascript on my browser enables me to view wikipedia normaly
I suppose the black out is just a silly div layer over all pages. You silly programmers. _________________ Tsosm! Dog and travel. Technology and fashion. |
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Michael

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 10431
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't want to take down something wikipedia's size for a day either :p
Let the graphics department deal with it |
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Thy Brilliance

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 3213 Location: Relative
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Dogen wrote: | | Quote: | | As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government |
No, it isn't, but then nothing in either bill requires the government to have physical access to the servers...
| Quote: | | nor is it their property, |
... or to own them...
| Quote: | | nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors. |
... but this is irrelevant. If the server is in the US, then it's subject to US law regardless of who owns it.
| Quote: | | Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional. |
This seems tautological. You're saying that it will never pass because so many people are opposed to it, or be challenged before it takes effect, so why are so many people worried about it? We have to be vociferously opposed in order for it not to pass... and if it does pass there's a good chance our court system will eventually uphold it. We have an excellent track record of siding with property rights holders in complaints (even crazy ones), and it would be silly to assume that it would be struck down by SCOTUS (at least without some really compelling evidence).
Now, could the US government take down any site they want? Probably not. Could they take down enough to massively fuck with your day? Absolutely. |
The problem has always been that there are very few tech savvy people in charge of the government.
I can only hope it stays that way. |
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CTrees

Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 3615
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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so, wiki's blackout doesn't appear to affect mobile browsers, either. Well done, guys!
Also, I though reddit and the cheezburger network were supposed to be "going dark" today? I haven't seen that to be true. TheOatmeal has, though. _________________ “Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation”
yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. |
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Mizike

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 5120 Location: Iowa City
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| CTrees wrote: | so, wiki's blackout doesn't appear to affect mobile browsers, either. Well done, guys!
Also, I though reddit and the cheezburger network were supposed to be "going dark" today? I haven't seen that to be true. TheOatmeal has, though. |
Methinks you're missing the point. But TheOatmeal has a funny:
 _________________ Scire aliquid laus est, pudor est non discere velle
"It is laudable to know something, it is disgraceful to not want to learn"
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CTrees

Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 3615
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I get the point. I just think the half-assed implimentation is somewhat amusing in its own right. _________________ “Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation”
yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. |
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Michael

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 10431
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a really neat one. They used javascript to obstruct the contents. That means they only have to add a script somewhere and can leave the rest of the (huge) site untouched. People determined to get in can, without any loss of the campaign's effectiveness (people who scoff at this implementation probably knew all about SOPA/PIPA anyway). Meanwhile, crawlers still get the same content as always so it doesn't affect any ratings. |
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Mindslicer

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1566 Location: North of the People's Republic of Massachusetts
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Chris Dodd chimes in on SOPA blackouts.
| Quote: | Hollywood's chief lobbyist lashed out at tech companies for mounting Tuesday night's planned online blackout to protest proposed anti-piracy legislation that has pitted Southern California movie and music distributors against Silicon Valley Internet corporations.
Motion Picture Assn. of America Chief Executive Chris Dodd, the former Senator from Connecticut, accused technology companies such as Google, Mozilla and Wikipedia of resorting to stunts.
As part of the largest online strike in history, thousands of websites planned to black out their pages or shut down completely starting Tuesday night to protest anti-piracy bills they feel would limit freedom of speech and saddle legitimate websites with onerous legal costs.
But Dodd called the blackout a "dangerous gimmick."
"It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information and who use their services,'' Dodd said in a statement. "It is also an abuse of power given the freedoms these companies enjoy in the marketplace today."
Meanwhile, NetCoalition, a group of leading Internet and technology companies, announced that it launched a radio advertising campaign highlighting the Protect IP Act (PIPA) and the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).
"We want to let people know that these bills will harm American jobs and our economy by stifling innovation and chilling investment in one of the few industries growing and hiring,'' said Markham Erickson, executive director of NetCoalition. |
Wikipedia and other websites choosing to discontinue their services to protest proposed legislation is "an abuse of power"? |
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WheelsOfConfusion

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 11138 Location: Unknown Kaddath
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Monkey Mcdermott

Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2722
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Guest wrote: |
Do you honestly think this bill will somehow overwrite international law?
Get some common fucking sense, for crying out loud. |
Because the U.S. has a great track record for giving two squirts of piss about international law guest. Thats why we bow to the International Criminal Court...OH WAIT!!! |
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suds

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 98
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WheelsOfConfusion

Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 11138 Location: Unknown Kaddath
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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The official contact pages for my Senators seem to be broken at the moment. I hope that's due to traffic over SOPA.
I've sent a message to my governor, at least, in no uncertain terms. I expect to get the usual auto-reply jibberish in my inbox for the trouble. |
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ShadowCell

Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 5254 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah, my representative will almost certainly vote for it, Republican corporate tool that he is, so that means my inbox will get flooded with emails entreating me to join him in stopping the Obama Socialist Floodtide and Ban Abortion Forever. |
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