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Wikipedia blackout in protest of SOPA
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Guest



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the RIAA has so much power, why haven't they shut down the hundreds upon hundreds of torrent sites that currently exist, streaming their precious copyrighted music all day every day? If they have so much power, why haven't they shut down The Pirate Bay that has a section dedicated to mocking companies who use scare tactics to make them remove torrents on their site?

Do you honestly think this bill will somehow overwrite international law?

Get some common fucking sense, for crying out loud.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government

No, it isn't, but then nothing in either bill requires the government to have physical access to the servers...

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nor is it their property,

... or to own them...

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nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors.

... but this is irrelevant. If the server is in the US, then it's subject to US law regardless of who owns it.

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Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional.

This seems tautological. You're saying that it will never pass because so many people are opposed to it, or be challenged before it takes effect, so why are so many people worried about it? We have to be vociferously opposed in order for it not to pass... and if it does pass there's a good chance our court system will eventually uphold it. We have an excellent track record of siding with property rights holders in complaints (even crazy ones), and it would be silly to assume that it would be struck down by SCOTUS (at least without some really compelling evidence).

Now, could the US government take down any site they want? Probably not. Could they take down enough to massively fuck with your day? Absolutely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for some reason disabling javascript on my browser enables me to view wikipedia normaly

I suppose the black out is just a silly div layer over all pages. You silly programmers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't want to take down something wikipedia's size for a day either :p
Let the graphics department deal with it
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
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As I said in my previous post, the whole of the internet is not in possession of the US government

No, it isn't, but then nothing in either bill requires the government to have physical access to the servers...

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nor is it their property,

... or to own them...

Quote:
nor are servers in the US owned solely by US contractors.

... but this is irrelevant. If the server is in the US, then it's subject to US law regardless of who owns it.

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Do you honestly believe just a handful people or companies would resist the passing of this act? Look at the major websites who already oppose it on principle, as well as the general outrage of people within and outside the US. It will never, ever pass, and if it does I will give it at most a day before the shitstorm that inevitably will come. It's a delusion, and right now I'm trying to figure out who's more delusional.

This seems tautological. You're saying that it will never pass because so many people are opposed to it, or be challenged before it takes effect, so why are so many people worried about it? We have to be vociferously opposed in order for it not to pass... and if it does pass there's a good chance our court system will eventually uphold it. We have an excellent track record of siding with property rights holders in complaints (even crazy ones), and it would be silly to assume that it would be struck down by SCOTUS (at least without some really compelling evidence).

Now, could the US government take down any site they want? Probably not. Could they take down enough to massively fuck with your day? Absolutely.


The problem has always been that there are very few tech savvy people in charge of the government.

I can only hope it stays that way.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, wiki's blackout doesn't appear to affect mobile browsers, either. Well done, guys!

Also, I though reddit and the cheezburger network were supposed to be "going dark" today? I haven't seen that to be true. TheOatmeal has, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTrees wrote:
so, wiki's blackout doesn't appear to affect mobile browsers, either. Well done, guys!

Also, I though reddit and the cheezburger network were supposed to be "going dark" today? I haven't seen that to be true. TheOatmeal has, though.


Methinks you're missing the point. But TheOatmeal has a funny:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I get the point. I just think the half-assed implimentation is somewhat amusing in its own right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a really neat one. They used javascript to obstruct the contents. That means they only have to add a script somewhere and can leave the rest of the (huge) site untouched. People determined to get in can, without any loss of the campaign's effectiveness (people who scoff at this implementation probably knew all about SOPA/PIPA anyway). Meanwhile, crawlers still get the same content as always so it doesn't affect any ratings.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Dodd chimes in on SOPA blackouts.

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Hollywood's chief lobbyist lashed out at tech companies for mounting Tuesday night's planned online blackout to protest proposed anti-piracy legislation that has pitted Southern California movie and music distributors against Silicon Valley Internet corporations.

Motion Picture Assn. of America Chief Executive Chris Dodd, the former Senator from Connecticut, accused technology companies such as Google, Mozilla and Wikipedia of resorting to stunts.

As part of the largest online strike in history, thousands of websites planned to black out their pages or shut down completely starting Tuesday night to protest anti-piracy bills they feel would limit freedom of speech and saddle legitimate websites with onerous legal costs.

But Dodd called the blackout a "dangerous gimmick."

"It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information and who use their services,'' Dodd said in a statement. "It is also an abuse of power given the freedoms these companies enjoy in the marketplace today."


Meanwhile, NetCoalition, a group of leading Internet and technology companies, announced that it launched a radio advertising campaign highlighting the Protect IP Act (PIPA) and the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).

"We want to let people know that these bills will harm American jobs and our economy by stifling innovation and chilling investment in one of the few industries growing and hiring,'' said Markham Erickson, executive director of NetCoalition.


Wikipedia and other websites choosing to discontinue their services to protest proposed legislation is "an abuse of power"?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make your voice heard.

Google has an internet petition if you feel such things won't hurt. It's what you get when you click on their blacked-out logo.

Wikipedia's English front page links you to your representatives' feedback system, if you haven't noticed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest wrote:


Do you honestly think this bill will somehow overwrite international law?

Get some common fucking sense, for crying out loud.


Because the U.S. has a great track record for giving two squirts of piss about international law guest. Thats why we bow to the International Criminal Court...OH WAIT!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest wrote:

Do you honestly think this bill will somehow overwrite international law?

Get some common fucking sense, for crying out loud.


It doesn't have to. It just has to pressure other governments into passing similar laws.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120112/09203917388/insane-entitlement-emi-sues-irish-govt-not-passing-sopa-like-censorship-law.shtml


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The official contact pages for my Senators seem to be broken at the moment. I hope that's due to traffic over SOPA.
I've sent a message to my governor, at least, in no uncertain terms. I expect to get the usual auto-reply jibberish in my inbox for the trouble.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, my representative will almost certainly vote for it, Republican corporate tool that he is, so that means my inbox will get flooded with emails entreating me to join him in stopping the Obama Socialist Floodtide and Ban Abortion Forever.
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