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Martian Kyo



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: The Willem discourse thread. Reply with quote

Little pleasures thread was getting derailed. In attempt to save it ...I replying to willem in this thread.
from http://www.sinfest.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=394774&highlight=#394774
Willem wrote:
I do that all the time. It's called learning.


You missed my point, you learn only if you're prepared to have your opinion changed.

People most of the time go into a discussion* without this attitude. In fact often they (or rather we) enter a discussion with sole intent of changing other persons opinion. I say any discussion where you go with this intent is a pointless one.

On the other hand when you go to a class, lecture, read a book...you're usually go with the desire to change your opinion, and hence you learn.

So before you start any discussion ask the participants(including yourself) a question?
Are you willing to have your opinion changed?
Anyone answering 'no', should not take part in the discussion.

The true purpose of a discussion should be to approach the truth even if it means you're wrong, not to make other people think like you.

*Especially internet discussion.

disclaimer: I am not saying, Willem, you do this. The post and reply was just inspired by recent discussions involved here. I am not singling you out as an example of anything, I am just expending the discussion.


wheeeeew.
saying stuff clearly is hard.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad this wasn't a private message. Thread derailed, you say? On sinfest? Well I never!
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, totally. You're right. But I think that sometimes, even if you don't go into a conversation to have your opinion changed or challenged, the evidence and arguments against your stance may be so overwhelming that sticking to it would be insane. People do do that, but I don't think all of them will. I've admitted I was wrong before and I'm sure I'll do it again in the future.

But of course, it's the internet so most of the time it'll go as you said it'll go.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if this is over, by the way, we can use this thread to talk about my hot bod
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Willem's hot bod. It is good bod.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pics or gtfo.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willem wrote:
if this is over, by the way, we can use this thread to talk about my hot bod


Halen...?
Would you please... it's kind of your niche
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The Willem discourse thread. Reply with quote

Martian Kyo wrote:
Willem wrote:
I do that all the time. It's called learning.


You missed my point, you learn only if you're prepared to have your opinion changed.


This is untrue.

You constantly learn no matter what your opinion or attitude is. You can't help it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not true, you should go to the south.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been there, done that.

People are always willing to listen if you understand and respect their beliefs.

Only then can you convince them of anything.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, there are all different levels of learning. you can learn facts, and you can learn theories. it is almost impossible to avoid learning certain facts, no matter what you think about the theories explaining them (e.g., you will learn gravity works, no matter what you think of newtonian physics)

i think people can be persuaded to revise their thinking on theories. unfortunately, the ones who can't tend to be the loudest.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prejudice is a stubborn refusal to accept certain information so as to hold onto an idea you refuse to reject. Can you overcome prejudice? Sure. But until you do, a prejudiced person is still refusing to learn, and will seek out new information that conforms to their prejudice.

Otherwise, I'm totally with mouse. You can hate Mexicans and refuse to accept anything that disagrees with your perception of them but still learn the capitol of New Jersey (semantic) or how to drive a tractor (procedural). Most people don't have opinions on the capitol of New Jersey or how to drive a tractor, though, so I assume Martian meant a more explicit type of learning.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:


There is no penis.


Why is there no penis?.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because I draw this shit on my breaks at work? Also, the picture cuts off before there, anyway.
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