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Dogen
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| Darqcyde wrote: | | Kilgore wrote: | | So if we can get away from arguing with Thy about whether or not Thy is worth arguing about, I thought this was an interesting take on a small portion of the whole wage premium debate. |
Wasn't there a study done some years ago that showed that a disproportionate number of CEO's were sociopaths? |
There was the book, The Psychopath Test, written by a journalist who learns to use the Hare checklist and begins interviewing people, including Al Dunlap, who used to be CEO of Sunbeam. In it he talks to a psychologist who claims a lot of CEOs are psychopaths... I don't know if there's ever been a real study on it, though I'd like to find out. If no one has looked, I'll poke around when I get home from work.
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Dogen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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<--- comma abuser
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Eiden
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Tests purporting to discuss what percentage of CEO's or sex abusers or used car salesmen have all been very unreliable and we do not yet have real data on these subjects, and only understand psychopathy in reliable terms when it comes to specific diagnoses applied to individuals, and have far to go in analyzing far-reaching social patterns.
Compounding this issue is common interpretation of sociopaths as clean ruthless professionals who are often murderers. |
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WheelsOfConfusion
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The real test is if they can give you an earnest critique of Huey Lewis and the News. |
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Dogen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Eiden wrote: | Tests purporting to discuss what percentage of CEO's or sex abusers or used car salesmen have all been very unreliable and we do not yet have real data on these subjects, and only understand psychopathy in reliable terms when it comes to specific diagnoses applied to individuals, and have far to go in analyzing far-reaching social patterns.
Compounding this issue is common interpretation of sociopaths as clean ruthless professionals who are often murderers. |
Yeah, the sociopath/psychopath issue is difficult to disentangle not the least because the DSM doesn't have a diagnosis for psychopathy or sociopathy, but calls them both synonymous with antisocial personality disorder. Given that ASPD and the Hare psychopathy checklist only moderately overlap it's difficult to assume the latter is really measuring the former. The DSM-V will still lump them together as antisocial/psychopathic personality disorder, but will allow practitioners to differentiate violent from non-violent traits... but that will probably only further enmesh the two terms.
I hear criminologists use distinct definitions; I should look into that.
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Thy Brilliance
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: I can show you the world.. |
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| ShadowCell wrote: | Thy: We do not trust you have a credible overall understanding of this subject and we are not interested in hearing your interpretations
by the way quasi-threatening me is probably not going to help |
Offering you dinner on me is a threat?
You guys have no sense of adventure. |
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Thy Brilliance
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Also, it seems fitting that people who know nothing about feminism would start talking about sociopaths, a subject they seem to be very familiar with. |
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Sam
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Thank you to everyone who is not taking his bait, I will join you all in the same endeavor!
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Yeah, the sociopath/psychopath issue is difficult to disentangle not the least because the DSM doesn't have a diagnosis for psychopathy or sociopathy, but calls them both synonymous with antisocial personality disorder. Given that ASPD and the Hare psychopathy checklist only moderately overlap it's difficult to assume the latter is really measuring the former. The DSM-V will still lump them together as antisocial/psychopathic personality disorder, but will allow practitioners to differentiate violent from non-violent traits... but that will probably only further enmesh the two terms.
I hear criminologists use distinct definitions; I should look into that. |
Criminologists use it in the ways it is most immediately useful and applicable — trying to deduce potential criminal patterns, recidivism for offenders, etc. It's turned out pretty useful so far, but it cuts out the whole swath of people who are going to be noncriminal/petty offenders and cuts out consideration of issues not directly related to lawbreaking.
Though, admittedly, sociopaths have legendary problems with driving and car ownership. |
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Samsally
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Sam wrote: | | Though, admittedly, sociopaths have legendary problems with driving and car ownership. |
Well now I'm curious. Like what?
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Dennis J. Squidbunny
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| shadowcell will you pleaaaaaaaase go on a date with Thy? |
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ShadowCell
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| but all my pretty pony princess dresses are in the wash |
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Heretical Rants
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| Dogen wrote: | | <--- comma, abuser,,, |
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Thy Brilliance
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:56 am Post subject: You'll want it. |
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I promise I won't euphorically hug you against your will shadow.
But I will offer you succulent ice cream cookie pies.
Mmmmmmmm.
Surely you know what I'm thinking of. |
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WheelsOfConfusion
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| Heretical Rants wrote: | | Dogen wrote: | | <--- ,,,,, chameleon |
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Speaking of karma, the fact that these people tend to get elected disproves the naive version of it at least. |
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Darqcyde
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| WheelsOfConfusion wrote: | | Heretical Rants wrote: | | Dogen wrote: | | <--- ,,,,, chameleon |
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Speaking of karma, the fact that these people tend to get elected disproves the naive version of it at least. |
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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