welcome to the fest
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Feminism because why not make a thread for it?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 138, 139, 140 ... 319, 320, 321  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Sinfest Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
mouse



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 17600
Location: under the bed

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah. my mistake - we won't be standing shoulder to shoulder, we will be standing on each other's shoulders. about 20 deep.

that will be comfy.
_________________
aka: neverscared!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Thy Brilliance



Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Posts: 3661
Location: Relative

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
I feel the need to work this out, just for the fun of it. Texas has an area of 696,241km^2. The World Bank puts the current population at 6,973,738,433. That gives us 0.00009983755581km^2 per person, or roughly 1 square centimeter.

Then we need to grow food for everyone with all of that arable land.



The food growing aspect of this problem isn't as impossible as you make it out to be.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Snorri



Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Posts: 10878
Location: hiding the decline.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Dogen wrote:
I feel the need to work this out, just for the fun of it. Texas has an area of 696,241km^2. The World Bank puts the current population at 6,973,738,433. That gives us 0.00009983755581km^2 per person, or roughly 1 square centimeter.

Then we need to grow food for everyone with all of that arable land.



The food growing aspect of this problem isn't as impossible as you make it out to be.


And having the entire world population in one location makes the logistics easier.
_________________

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Michael



Joined: 09 Jul 2006
Posts: 10749

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno if you can get enough vitamin C from just eating vegans though.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mouse



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 17600
Location: under the bed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we probably won't even need as much food as you think. since we will all be standing on one another's shoulders, you only have to feed the top layer - everyone else will survive on the trickle-down!
_________________
aka: neverscared!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Heretical Rants



Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 5344
Location: No.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
I feel the need to work this out, just for the fun of it. Texas has an area of 696,241km^2. The World Bank puts the current population at 6,973,738,433. That gives us 0.00009983755581km^2 per person, or roughly 1 square centimeter.

Then we need to grow food for everyone with all of that arable land.


You did the conversions wrong.

(100000 cm/km)^2 * (696,241 km^2/6,973,738,433 people) = 998375.558087 cm^2/person
or ~ 100 square meters/person

A million square centimeters per person, not one.
It might be enough if you use basically the entire top layer for growing algae, and bring the resources to actually build it all in from somewhere else.
_________________
butts


Last edited by Heretical Rants on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:43 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dogen



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 10954
Location: Bellingham, WA

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google says we're both wrong.



_________________
"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. Iíll do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman


Last edited by Dogen on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:49 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Heretical Rants



Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 5344
Location: No.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


No, Google agrees with me. 100m^2/person.

You can't go directly between length and area, you have to square them.
For example, there are 144 square inches in a square foot, or 100^2 = 10,000 square centimeters in a square meter.

If you don't believe me, draw out a grid and count them.
_________________
butts


Last edited by Heretical Rants on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:50 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dogen



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 10954
Location: Bellingham, WA

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, that makes sense. I forgot to square! Bah. This is why I'm a social scientist... Wink
_________________
"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. Iíll do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Heretical Rants



Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 5344
Location: No.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the hell are you using Gary's avatar, btw, it's confusing me.

Something to do with Halloween?
_________________
butts
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dogen



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 10954
Location: Bellingham, WA

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what you're talking about.
_________________
"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. Iíll do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Darqcyde



Joined: 11 Jul 2006
Posts: 10662
Location: A false vacuum abiding in ignorance.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
Dogen wrote:
I feel the need to work this out, just for the fun of it. Texas has an area of 696,241km^2. The World Bank puts the current population at 6,973,738,433. That gives us 0.00009983755581km^2 per person, or roughly 1 square centimeter.

Then we need to grow food for everyone with all of that arable land.


You did the conversions wrong.

(100000 cm/km)^2 * (696,241 km^2/6,973,738,433 people) = 998375.558087 cm^2/person
or ~ 100 square meters/person

A million square centimeters per person, not one.
It might be enough if you use basically the entire top layer for growing algae, and bring the resources to actually build it all in from somewhere else.


Easy answer: lots of people need to die.

Or rather, lots of people ARE going to die.

Populations going up and down is the natural order of things. Plants, animals, protists, bacteria, fungi -- it's how it goes. We humans are no exceptions. At some point, something, probably a disease, will kill off a HUGE chunk (or chunks) of us. Our efforts to prevent this are probably going to end up biting us in the ass. Hard. We're fighting a losing battle. Sustained growth is flawed from the get go.
_________________
...if a single leaf holds the eye, it will be as if the remaining leaves were not there.
http://about.me/omardrake
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Heretical Rants



Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 5344
Location: No.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/feb25/articles16.htm

Quote:
The minimum amount of arable land required to sustainably support one person is 0.07 of a hectare. This assumes a largely vegetarian diet, no farmland degradation or water shortages, virtually no post- harvest waste, and farmers who know precisely when and how to plant, fertilize, irrigate, etc.


so 700 m^2/person would be necessary with traditional crops grown at maximum efficiency


but I think it might be workable if you feed everyone algae and have them live underneath the algae tanks
_________________
butts
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dogen



Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 10954
Location: Bellingham, WA

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. So this might actually be feasible. As long as we lived underground. And, I guess, enough of the land in Texas was actually arable.

Mmm... algae.
_________________
"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. Iíll do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Heretical Rants



Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 5344
Location: No.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The barrier to it working isn't the land being arable so much as the immense difficulty of building it all

also it would be a pretty low standard of living

and if anything at all went wrong lots of people would starve



efficiency by area of growing the algae could be boosted somewhat with artificial lights (inside the tanks) powered by nuclear or maybe geothermal energy
_________________
butts
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Sinfest Forum Index -> General Discussion All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 138, 139, 140 ... 319, 320, 321  Next
Page 139 of 321

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group