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mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 15622 Location: under the bed

it would be interesting to see how that correlates with states that think the federal government has no right to put any limitations on gun ownership.

as always - they will trample all over the mother to be sure the baby is born, after that, the kid's on its own.
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9514 Location: Bellingham, WA

Yeah, it would be interesting to see how the right to privacy stacks up against the right to bear arms in a state-by-state battle. I'd also like to see a comparison of these states by things like access to maternal health care, coverage for family planning, and regulation on sex education. You know... just on the off chance that there isn't a staggering correlation between suppressing abortion and suppressing every other facet of sexual activity.
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Thy Brilliance · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 3251 Location: Relative

What's wrong with parental involvement?

Refresh my memory.

mouse · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 15622 Location: under the bed

"Parental involvement" means the parent has to ok an abortion for a girl under 18. it's probably more or less unnecessary for girls with reasonably decent relationships with their parents, who would probably talk to their mothers, at least. the problem is for girls in really dysfunctional families - like the ones who get pregnant as a result of incest. or ones like a case in CA not too long ago, where the girl's father, on hearing that she was pregnant and wanted an abortion, beat her so badly that she not only required hospitalization but lost the baby.

so there are parents you definitely do _not_ want involved. parental involvement laws may or may not give the girl other options (like going to a judge to get approval to not get parental approval for the abortion) - but such options may impose considerable difficulty for a girl who is already in a difficult situation.
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Thy Brilliance · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 3251 Location: Relative

I always have a frown on my face when the law specifically reflects the needs of the few and applies to the majority.

There are kids who come from perfectly functional families and would be better off with parental involvement in this decision.

There are kids that lie about abuse from their guardians in order to avoid getting in trouble with them about such a decision.

Lasairfiona · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:04 am Post subject:

Just like many decisions, if the consequences are high enough even a low risk is intolerable. SO it is downright reasonably to be concerned about an abusive family preventing an abortion.
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Kenshiro · Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Posts: 47

Combine that with how now shit's gonna get REALLY crazy.
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9514 Location: Bellingham, WA

Darqcyde · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject:

Fair enough. Actually, I found some of the states lack of regulation to be more disturbing i.e. not requiring the person performing the abortion to be a licensed physician or the institutions performing them not having specific regulatory guidelines. In general, to me, I think New Jersey's regulations to genuinely be in the mother's best interest.
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9514 Location: Bellingham, WA

It actually depends. Some states allow non-MD practitioners (nurse practitioners, physician assistants, etc) to prescribe the morning after pill. A few states allow them to also perform basic abortions. That's not unusual in terms of the medicine, as NPs and PAs are trained and qualified (per their speciality) to perform surgery and other invasive procedures. Some states simply restrict who can perform them to MDs/DOs, which may prevent low income women from getting them, with no corresponding difference in quality of care.

It's not like a state that doesn't have that requirement allows anyone to perform an abortion. That would still be practicing medicine without a license.
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Samsally · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 5439

So here's a thing about how psychological differences between genders aren't actually distinct.

Relevent to my interests because when people say "All men are assholes" and "All women are crazy" I usually want to set something on fire.

Not sure fire is the right answer.
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