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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see we've moved from chain mail bikini to topless with metal panties. Apparently wherever she lives people only aim for your crotch.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't keep a straight face when I see videos of the game.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually played the game though my character is only in the mid-20's in level.



A lot of the armour is just really bad in that it doesn't look like armour at all. Some of them look more protected and like actual warriors when they reach higher levels but for the first ten levels of all classes you're basically running around in underwear and you don't have any choice on what to wear. And don't try mentioning it, you'll be jumped by fanboys saying its an 'adult' game so that's why they're practically naked as they fight mutated wolves and bandits and the like, and fangirls saying they're okay with it so there's no problems with the game.

Other then the underwear part thing I don't mind playing it too much. There are some problematic aspects in that all the women are genetically engineered to become stronger to survive in the environment and have handlers who are men who tell them what to do which is the perspective you play from but they can, and often, ignore your orders to do what they think is best so at least their agency isn't completely taken away. They've even touched on rape in a non-joking manner in some of the dialogue but I don't know how many people actually read any of the dialogue instead of just skipping through and jumping around to make their characters boobs bounce.

But the words on those advertisements is completely terrible. It probably explains half the players in the game and I've had to turn off most of the chats in game to get away from them.

I'll probably keep playing it though. Until I find another free game other then Digimon to occupy my time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes! They are STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS.

In the Kate Beaton Sense.

[img] http://www.harkavagrant.com/nonsense/strongfemalessmall.gif [/img]

stripeypants wrote:

I think the trend should now be drawing women with butts just right under the boobs.


Go farther! COMBINE THEM INTO A SINGLE CREATION.

BOOBUTT.

It would be like Dickbutt, but, you know, not.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tekii wrote:
I've actually played the game though my character is only in the mid-20's in level.



A lot of the armour is just really bad in that it doesn't look like armour at all. Some of them look more protected and like actual warriors when they reach higher levels but for the first ten levels of all classes you're basically running around in underwear and you don't have any choice on what to wear. And don't try mentioning it, you'll be jumped by fanboys saying its an 'adult' game so that's why they're practically naked as they fight mutated wolves and bandits and the like, and fangirls saying they're okay with it so there's no problems with the game.

Other then the underwear part thing I don't mind playing it too much. There are some problematic aspects in that all the women are genetically engineered to become stronger to survive in the environment and have handlers who are men who tell them what to do which is the perspective you play from but they can, and often, ignore your orders to do what they think is best so at least their agency isn't completely taken away. They've even touched on rape in a non-joking manner in some of the dialogue but I don't know how many people actually read any of the dialogue instead of just skipping through and jumping around to make their characters boobs bounce.

But the words on those advertisements is completely terrible. It probably explains half the players in the game and I've had to turn off most of the chats in game to get away from them.

I'll probably keep playing it though. Until I find another free game other then Digimon to occupy my time.


There are loads of other free games on the internet, and that game looks fucking atrocious. It also doesn't sound 'not that bad' from your description, it sounds like a sexist game that is sexist.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felgraf wrote:
Ah, yes! They are STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS.

In the Kate Beaton Sense.

[img] http://www.harkavagrant.com/nonsense/strongfemalessmall.gif [/img]

stripeypants wrote:

I think the trend should now be drawing women with butts just right under the boobs.


Go farther! COMBINE THEM INTO A SINGLE CREATION.

BOOBUTT.

It would be like Dickbutt, but, you know, not.


And just have the boobutt, no face, no arms, no nothing else. Just Boobutt.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpwBG2Dtpmk < hilarious video of the game

But yeah. If you want to make porn, make porn and don't pretend it's anything but porn. I think it's a bit sad for the writers that they try to make a good dialogue but it's going to be ignored by 99% of the users.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tekii wrote:
And don't try mentioning it, you'll be jumped by fanboys saying its an 'adult' game so that's why they're practically naked as they fight mutated wolves and bandits and the like, and fangirls saying they're okay with it so there's no problems with the game.
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'Adult' in the same way FATAL is 'adult', perhaps.

That is, a 5 or 12 yearold's misconception of what something 'adult' is like...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly I never listen to anyone who says their (as in what they love most) game is 'perfect'. No game is perfect ever. Even the games I worship have flaws. Blind fanboy/girl-ism never makes a good review.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's okay to like things that have problematic themes but it's not okay to deny that they are problematic.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
Tekii wrote:
I've actually played the game though my character is only in the mid-20's in level.



A lot of the armour is just really bad in that it doesn't look like armour at all. Some of them look more protected and like actual warriors when they reach higher levels but for the first ten levels of all classes you're basically running around in underwear and you don't have any choice on what to wear. And don't try mentioning it, you'll be jumped by fanboys saying its an 'adult' game so that's why they're practically naked as they fight mutated wolves and bandits and the like, and fangirls saying they're okay with it so there's no problems with the game.

Other then the underwear part thing I don't mind playing it too much. There are some problematic aspects in that all the women are genetically engineered to become stronger to survive in the environment and have handlers who are men who tell them what to do which is the perspective you play from but they can, and often, ignore your orders to do what they think is best so at least their agency isn't completely taken away. They've even touched on rape in a non-joking manner in some of the dialogue but I don't know how many people actually read any of the dialogue instead of just skipping through and jumping around to make their characters boobs bounce.

But the words on those advertisements is completely terrible. It probably explains half the players in the game and I've had to turn off most of the chats in game to get away from them.

I'll probably keep playing it though. Until I find another free game other then Digimon to occupy my time.


There are loads of other free games on the internet, and that game looks fucking atrocious. It also doesn't sound 'not that bad' from your description, it sounds like a sexist game that is sexist.


Because of the clothing? From a design perspective I actually like a lot of the outfits, they're bright and interesting but I think they'd suit some future dystopian city type game rather then one with failing technology on a poisonous and dying planet where everything is trying to kill you.

I already said the fact that all women are warriors with men handlers is terrible yes and half the game is designed around fanservice for straight guys but I can still play a game while recognizing the problems with it. If I never touched anything with any sexist or other problematic overtones there wouldn't be a lot for me to do.

But please, if you have other mmo's with nice graphics and a low learning curve, please link. I'm not heavily invested in this game, so if there are better ones I would be more then happy to play.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because of the game play as well. For an interesting explanation of why women warriors with male handlers is bad, see: All of "Buffy".

You add qualifiers for it, you are being apologetic for the game.

"At least their agency isn't completely taken away."

It's so nice of them to provide a tiny bit of agency, so at least the women are not completely disempowered. I mean, what are they going to do - make female characters that have actual power? That's ridiculous.

"Most of the players are sexist. I don't get why." (Paraphrasing)

If most of the players you see are sexist, then it is probably a sexist game because that is who it appeals to.

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Because of the clothing? From a design perspective I actually like a lot of the outfits, they're bright and interesting but I think they'd suit some future dystopian city type game rather then one with failing technology on a poisonous and dying planet where everything is trying to kill you.


Because those outfits have even a single ounce of realism in them. The outfits are terrible because they are not actually outfits, and also because they do the common thing of portraying women as sex objects, and also because the character designs are sexist, sexist, sexist.

Stop trying to rationalize this game. You may enjoy problematic shit and not be an asshole. When you begin touting the thing you like as not problematic, then you behave as an asshole.

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If I never touched anything with any sexist or other problematic overtones there wouldn't be a lot for me to do.


Uh huh.

Use the google. You can search for stuff like "Non-sexist MMOs". I promise you, it will be okay, and you too can one day drag yourself out of the barren land of sexist bullshit.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
It's okay to like things that have problematic themes but it's not okay to deny that they are problematic.


Tekii, please print this out in big font and put it up on your wall. Then memorize it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy shit, I already said its a problematic game. What more do I need to do?
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