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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feiticeira wrote:
Surely they aren't killing quite as many women as PETA are killing animals?


One would hope... a few less, anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
"as estonia goes, so goes latvia".

after that, it's just potatoes.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just like to take a moment to bask in how awesome Amanda Palmer is.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apparently 45% of gamers are women, but that's just statistics, and you know anecdotal evidence is stronger...


Unfortunately those stats are unlikely to distinguish between people playing [whatever it is people play on their smart phones] and PS3/360 gamers. I wasn't able to find anything substantive re: women and consoles beyond their influence on the Wii and Wii fit market.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Wii doesn't count? Is there a reason, or are you anticipating a no true Scotsman argument?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes to both, sort of. If the majority of women console gamers are playing Wii fit and little else then there's little reason to think marketing current or next gen titles towards them has any merit.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of cave do you live in that it's so easy to just -assume- most women gamers only play the wii or wii fit?

Even if that -was- the case (and I really REALLY doubt it) you're still using it as an excuse to completely disregard women's input on games because?... why, exactly?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
What kind of cave do you live in that it's so easy to just -assume- most women gamers only play the wii or wii fit?

Even if that -was- the case (and I really REALLY doubt it) you're still using it as an excuse to completely disregard women's input on games because?... why, exactly?


Rolling Eyes I don't think it's true either, but my attempts to find data that were contrary to that belief have failed, which is why I asked if anyone had any sources about women and console gaming that weren't focused on the wii fit.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, again, even if it -was- true, why exactly is that a valid excuse to continue marketing exclusively towards men?

Like, generally speaking don't companies try to market their stuff towards as many people as possible? Isn't that a completely valid way to expand the company, and in doing so make lots more money off of people who used to give no money at all?

I don't understand why a company wouldn't want to market outside of a small fraction of the people that have money to spend.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
So, again, even if it -was- true, why exactly is that a valid excuse to continue marketing exclusively towards men?

Like, generally speaking don't companies try to market their stuff towards as many people as possible? Isn't that a completely valid way to expand the company, and in doing so make lots more money off of people who used to give no money at all?

I don't understand why a company wouldn't want to market outside of a small fraction of the people that have money to spend.

Trimmed the pic a bit:



source: http://www.esrb.org/about/images/vidGames04.png
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
So, again, even if it -was- true, why exactly is that a valid excuse to continue marketing exclusively towards men?


'valid'? If - again, if - the overwhelming majority of women console gamers are playing a game that serves as an exercise regime (something that developers releasing AAA titles don't typically spend time developing) then they're unlikely to have many games marketed towards them, either now or next gen.

You seem to have completely lost your shit and decided that I'm in favour of exclusively marketing console games towards men because... I asked for sources that would disprove the thing you're accusing me of thinking. I don't get it.

EDIT: thanks, Darq!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please link that huge-ass image, Darq.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume the worst of you because I remember you.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you need to go back over the thread. you missed the part where feit's friend's marketing strategy for the entire northern hemisphere is based on a couple of estonian women he talked to. (spoiler alert: they aren't gamers!).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ergh. That's unfortunate.
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