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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No one's going to bring up the fact that we calculate the dollar value of a human life all the time? Like insurance companies and pretty much every government agency. But that's just me citing sources again. Smile


damn you, dogen. damn you and your insistence on connecting with reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an awful, awful believer in not making things up. I tried to change but I... I just can't.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did say it was vital to the industry.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, sources.

Thy was balking at a car company calculating the value of human life (presumably for safety purposes), right?
COMPARE:
cost per life saved by Federal motor vehicle safety standards: $750,782
vs.
cost per human life saved by distributing insecticide nets in developing countries: $3,400

If you had a million dollars to spend, which would you choose? One and a third lives (building even safer cars), or 294 lives (preventing malaria)?
(assume your own vehicle already has state-of-the-art safety features)

Oh, is this a false dilemma? Are you "an idiot if you can't save em all"? Do you suddenly have the resources to fund every avenue of life-saving available?

once you're paying two orders of magnitude more than necessary to save a life, it's time to reprioritize

with charity in particular it's important to be as efficient as possible

Or maybe the people at GiveWell need to read up on their Godel.
http://www.givewell.org/international/technical/criteria/cost-effectiveness

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We consider anything under $5,000 per life saved (or equivalent, according to one's subjective values about how to compare other sorts of impacts to lives saved) to be excellent cost-effectiveness. We consider anything over $50,000 per life saved (or equivalent) to be excessive for the cause of international aid, as it implies more than an order of magnitude higher costs than the strongest programs.



but of course this is horribly off-topic
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:30 am    Post subject: As usual, my understanding of reality is deeper Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
I'm an awful, awful believer in not making things up. I tried to change but I... I just can't.


And surprise surprise, guess which industry I condemn for its parasitic nature on society.



Btw

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness



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Ford knows the Pinto is a firetrap, yet it has paid out millions to settle damage suits out of court, and it is prepared to spend millions more lobbying against safety standards. With a half million cars rolling off the assembly lines each year, Pinto is the biggest-selling subcompact in America, and the company's operating profit on the car is fantastic. Finally, in 1977, new Pinto models have incorporated a few minor alterations necessary to meet that federal standard Ford managed to hold off for eight years. Why did the company delay so long in making these minimal, inexpensive improvements?


Ford waited eight years because its internal "cost-benefit analysis," which places a dollar value on human life, said it wasn't profitable to make the changes sooner.




You are scum if you do this.


Placing a dollar value on human life and then attempting to profit from decisions concerning said life.


People that put that value on your life, they aren't looking out for your best interests, they are looking out for their own profit margins.



I won't accept any apologist stance for this bs.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point stands that there are far more efficient ways of saving lives than actively making incremental improvements to the current automotive paradigm (which totally sucks and should be done away with entirely if we could just get the general population to abandon their pointless status symbols, but I digress), especially if you were to assume that the manufacturers were effective altruists, but even if they aren't -- the disparity is so great.


It would stand even if "Pinto Madness" wasn't total bullshit --the fact-checking on the article Thy linked to was spotty at best, but of course they had to sensationalize it-- and even if it wasn't an ancient (by technological standards) relic of the past to boot. The small-scale failure of a singular product line (one completely driven by market demand) wouldn't change anything. Subsequent or wide-scale failure of this nature would become at best an argument against laissez faire capitalism if it didn't at that point mean the death or overhaul of the companies involved, which would of course be entirely dependent on how much an informed customer is willing and able to pay for improved safety features on their pointless status symbols.



Thy has at this point repeatedly failed to bring anything relevant to the table -- even things relevant to his own digressions. I've had my fun; he's stopped being interesting.

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saying that businesses are making decisions on the value they assign to human life is not really correct in any event. the latest GM recall, the faulty ignition switch they - that one came out to $0.57/car to fix. no one thought that human lives are worth less than $0.57 - they just couldn't stand the idea of 1) admitting that they made a mistake and (more importantly) 2) losing even a few pennies of profit.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: As usual, my understanding of reality is deeper Reply with quote

Thy Brilliance wrote:
Dogen wrote:
I'm an awful, awful believer in not making things up. I tried to change but I... I just can't.


And surprise surprise, guess which industry I condemn for its parasitic nature on society.

Umm... the glass making industry? No, woodwind instrument manufacturers! Wait... the hospitality industry? I give up. Which random industry are you going to blame for heinous crimes against humanity?
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the video industry

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fucking monsters.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but of course this is horribly off-topic


yeah, let's go back to talking about feminism
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
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but of course this is horribly off-topic


yeah, let's go back to talking about feminism


but...

Pinto Madness
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I know there's a lot of differing opinions on the forums about porn and the like, but Smut Peddler is about the most lady-friendly porn I've ever seen. The kickstarter is doing quite well, but is almost over.

I mean considering they made 7 times what they were asking for, I can't help but think that anybody who says ladies do not like porn is very clearly mistaken. Ladies do not like gross sexist porn that turns them into objects, yes. But porn that portrays people as actual people is hard to find and it seems a lot of folks are willing to put money towards it when it is being offered.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
So I know there's a lot of differing opinions on the forums about porn and the like, but Smut Peddler is about the most lady-friendly porn I've ever seen. The kickstarter is doing quite well, but is almost over.

I mean considering they made 7 times what they were asking for, I can't help but think that anybody who says ladies do not like porn is very clearly mistaken. Ladies do not like gross sexist porn that turns them into objects, yes. But porn that portrays people as actual people is hard to find and it seems a lot of folks are willing to put money towards it when it is being offered.


Funny you should mention this porn. I've arrived at the conclusion that most modern porn in the U.S. was heavily influenced by the late 60's and 70's cruiser sub-culture
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first read that, I thought you were saying you thought smut peddler was influenced by cruiser culture and I was like "I ASSURE YOU NO." but then I realized you were talking about most -other- porn and I was like "oh. yeah. I could see that."
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