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June 23: Jerk Factory
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Yinello



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many female equivalents of what?

I don't get what you're raging about. Nothing in this comic has said that all men are patriarchial constructs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
Many female equivalents of what?

I don't get what you're raging about. Nothing in this comic has said that all men are patriarchial constructs.


Exactly. Heck, until Glossy came around, almost everyone of Tat's female characters were jerks and eye candy teasers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And away we go!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
And away we go!

Its kind of funny how David Willis gets attacked for making "straw-misogynists" and everybody who's ever tried to talk seriously about women's issues is like "Except no, -that actually happens all the fucking time-."
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Monkey Mcdermott



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its kind of sad how appropriate simply linking that comic is to so many conversations in this forum. I really wish I'd listened when people in general discussion and casual chat had told me what a shithole the comic forum was.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's where the transients float through. Like, there are a few people who have stuck around exclusively to the comic subforum for a while, but the vast majority of them disappear after they get bored.

It's weird though, Tat has talked about a lot of different things over the years, but the instant he starts having some feminist themes we start getting this massive influx of offended dudes whose arguments all seem to boil down to 'but my life is hard so obviously women have it easier'.

Like, no lies, half of them remind me of why I carry mace everywhere, too. Some of these arguments make my skin crawl (the 'but women like to be chased' one comes to mind.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islamophobia!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a lot of things
but a "Rules Girl" isn't one
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TragicallyUnhip



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:13 pm    Post subject: *sigh* Reply with quote

He's PREACHING at me again.

The point is, where is there a character to actually model GOOD behavior? Where is there someone who isn't either a sexist jerk or a victim raging at the system? It's no longer Monique, who's basically de-sexed herself, it certainly isn't the little revolutionary munchkins, who really, truly are humorless and one-dimensional to the point of - to me - being boring. Who is a character who actually displays what Tat might want to present as the right attitude and behavior and then getting rewarded for it? Is it Criminy? What do our little munchkin feminists think of him? Story? Does he even have any kind of interaction with the Patriarchy? In a very real sense, he's a victim himself, but he's a seeker, not a warrior. He's looking for the intangible story that will fulfill him.

It's all very well to protest the way things are, but I haven't seen anyone in the strip to actively counter the evil patriarchy in a positive way. "Give up your porn" is just simplistic and doesn't look at why it even is a problem. Pulling the plug on the patriarchy's message was cute, but just a stunt, and of course ultimately futile.

Show me a character who demonstrates somehow that you don't need porn. What, for instance, would Buddha say? Or even Jesus? None of the really positive - oriented characters have weighed in on this stuff or been shown to be interacting on that level. It would be very interesting to see Glossy face-to-face with Buddha. What happens when all that unfocused discontent gets a dose of serenity? Or the Dragon? These are, to me, the larger-than-life characters who might provide the gateway to solutions, not just protest.

Main thing is, as a reader I like to be shown, not told.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do miss Buddha and the dragon....



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:




Heretical Rants wrote:
I do miss Buddha and the dragon....

Budda was the best character he's made so far. However, I'm more interested in the fate of Lil' E's mom.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict that Tat will make a good bunch more comics like these just to spur some anger, then start making political comics to spur on angry political discussions. When were the American elections again?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daveshan wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:




Heretical Rants wrote:
I do miss Buddha and the dragon....

Budda was the best character he's made so far. However, I'm more interested in the fate of Lil' E's mom.



Not trolling, legitimately disappointed in my fellow man.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
I do miss Buddha and the dragon....



Yup, I'm even missing Hand; he seems less a douche than the current cast.



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MasterMorality wrote:
MerchManDan wrote:
Whoa there, MasMor. Nobody has branded every male in the world as anything. The point of this episode is "There are SO MANY sexist jerks out there, it's as though they're being mass-produced."

There are many female equivalents.

Which evades my point, now; bringing up "female equivalents" out of nowhere does not support your assertion that this comic is tarring all men with one brush (which it isn't, by the way - just so we're clear on that topic).
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