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Yinello

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Many female equivalents of what?
I don't get what you're raging about. Nothing in this comic has said that all men are patriarchial constructs. _________________ Sinfest Comments Bingo because we like Schadenfreude~ |
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daveshan

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Yinello wrote: | Many female equivalents of what?
I don't get what you're raging about. Nothing in this comic has said that all men are patriarchial constructs. |
Exactly. Heck, until Glossy came around, almost everyone of Tat's female characters were jerks and eye candy teasers. |
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Monkey Mcdermott

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Samsally

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Its kind of funny how David Willis gets attacked for making "straw-misogynists" and everybody who's ever tried to talk seriously about women's issues is like "Except no, -that actually happens all the fucking time-." _________________ Samsally the Gray |
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Monkey Mcdermott

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Its kind of sad how appropriate simply linking that comic is to so many conversations in this forum. I really wish I'd listened when people in general discussion and casual chat had told me what a shithole the comic forum was. |
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Samsally

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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It's where the transients float through. Like, there are a few people who have stuck around exclusively to the comic subforum for a while, but the vast majority of them disappear after they get bored.
It's weird though, Tat has talked about a lot of different things over the years, but the instant he starts having some feminist themes we start getting this massive influx of offended dudes whose arguments all seem to boil down to 'but my life is hard so obviously women have it easier'.
Like, no lies, half of them remind me of why I carry mace everywhere, too. Some of these arguments make my skin crawl (the 'but women like to be chased' one comes to mind.) _________________ Samsally the Gray |
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Heretical Rants

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Islamophobia! _________________ butts |
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Heretical Rants

Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 3047
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a lot of things
but a "Rules Girl" isn't one _________________ butts |
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TragicallyUnhip
Joined: 30 May 2012 Posts: 41
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: *sigh* |
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He's PREACHING at me again.
The point is, where is there a character to actually model GOOD behavior? Where is there someone who isn't either a sexist jerk or a victim raging at the system? It's no longer Monique, who's basically de-sexed herself, it certainly isn't the little revolutionary munchkins, who really, truly are humorless and one-dimensional to the point of - to me - being boring. Who is a character who actually displays what Tat might want to present as the right attitude and behavior and then getting rewarded for it? Is it Criminy? What do our little munchkin feminists think of him? Story? Does he even have any kind of interaction with the Patriarchy? In a very real sense, he's a victim himself, but he's a seeker, not a warrior. He's looking for the intangible story that will fulfill him.
It's all very well to protest the way things are, but I haven't seen anyone in the strip to actively counter the evil patriarchy in a positive way. "Give up your porn" is just simplistic and doesn't look at why it even is a problem. Pulling the plug on the patriarchy's message was cute, but just a stunt, and of course ultimately futile.
Show me a character who demonstrates somehow that you don't need porn. What, for instance, would Buddha say? Or even Jesus? None of the really positive - oriented characters have weighed in on this stuff or been shown to be interacting on that level. It would be very interesting to see Glossy face-to-face with Buddha. What happens when all that unfocused discontent gets a dose of serenity? Or the Dragon? These are, to me, the larger-than-life characters who might provide the gateway to solutions, not just protest.
Main thing is, as a reader I like to be shown, not told. |
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Heretical Rants

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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I do miss Buddha and the dragon....
ISLAMOPHOBIA _________________ butts |
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daveshan

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Monkey Mcdermott wrote: |
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| Heretical Rants wrote: | I do miss Buddha and the dragon....
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Budda was the best character he's made so far. However, I'm more interested in the fate of Lil' E's mom. |
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Yinello

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I predict that Tat will make a good bunch more comics like these just to spur some anger, then start making political comics to spur on angry political discussions. When were the American elections again? _________________ Sinfest Comments Bingo because we like Schadenfreude~ |
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Monkey Mcdermott

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| daveshan wrote: | | Monkey Mcdermott wrote: |
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| Heretical Rants wrote: | I do miss Buddha and the dragon....
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Budda was the best character he's made so far. However, I'm more interested in the fate of Lil' E's mom. |
Not trolling, legitimately disappointed in my fellow man. |
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Sam the Eagle
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Heretical Rants wrote: | I do miss Buddha and the dragon....
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Yup, I'm even missing Hand; he seems less a douche than the current cast.
AULOPHOBIA _________________ Meu aerobarca esta cheoi de enguias |
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MerchManDan

Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 1448 Location: Somewhere else.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| MasterMorality wrote: | | MerchManDan wrote: | | Whoa there, MasMor. Nobody has branded every male in the world as anything. The point of this episode is "There are SO MANY sexist jerks out there, it's as though they're being mass-produced." |
There are many female equivalents. |
Which evades my point, now; bringing up "female equivalents" out of nowhere does not support your assertion that this comic is tarring all men with one brush (which it isn't, by the way - just so we're clear on that topic). _________________
| mouse wrote: | almost a shame to waste dennis' talent on him.
except it's always a pleasure to see a good dennis insult. |
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