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Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2785

I'll be coming back to this...I just don't have the drive to type up a big long post full of references showing why what mindslicer posted was half true in some cases, a deliberate distortion of the facts (The U.K. is pursuing austerity measures right now douchenozzle, of course their national health service is undergoing rationing and poorer service) in others, and generally just more of the same libertarian pipe dream you can get by listening to ron paul rant about the gold standard.
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Mindslicer · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:29 am Post subject:

Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2785

Yes actually, it is when you reduce spending but increase taxes in order to shrink a deficit. The end result of which is to strangle growth.

Incidentally, the budget you linked doesn't really prove your point at all, it does however prove that the U.K. is reducing spending for the forthcoming year.

Edit: and since we're getting nitpicky, spending on the government social programs such as the NHS.
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Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2785

I suspect you believe the issues the USPS are undergoing are because it's a poorly run government bureaucracy with greedy unions who are fleecing the poor tax payers with their crazy generous retirement plans.
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Mindslicer · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject:

Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2785

The budget you linked, on the page you cited shows an immediate drop of total managed expenditure for the only year that really matters, next year.

Projections beyond that are basically just speculation given a lack of complete prescience in the human race.

However, they also show...right there on the bottom of that page a shrinking amount of total expenditure as a % of GDP Now you can point to the fact that more money is going out, but that has a whole slew of other factors, increasing population, aging population, optimistic estimates on how much cash they'll be taking in.

Mindslicer · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject:

Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2785

Yknow what, frankly I'm just finding this argument dull and exhausting, and I don't want to spend hours digging through the internet on my last day off for a while so I concede.

Congrats you won an internet argument!
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Mindslicer · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject:

A 29-year-old woman will die without a new drug that the NHS is refusing to provide despite the manufacturer offering it to her for free

Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9515 Location: Bellingham, WA

You really don't want to start that particular comparison. I have a lifetime of personal experience being denied things I've needed by insurance companies. I once had an insurance company tell me I took too much insulin and refuse to pay for a prescription. I had an insurance company deny me an MRI my neurologist ordered because some actuarial chart somewhere said I didn't need it. I can only imagine the things I could turn up on google. Like the lady who was dropped from her coverage because she was diagnosed with MS and had a dizzy spell years earlier that the insurance company claimed constituted a pre-existing condition.
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Mindslicer · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject:

Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9515 Location: Bellingham, WA

I think using the term "ideal" is overstating his position. Having lived in Canada and the US, I know I personally favor the Canadian system because it was dramatically (like 3 times) less expensive to me, and I got essentially the same care for the services I required when I lived there. Plus, life expectancies are higher in both Canada and the UK (interesting side note: if you compare only white Americans our life expectancy is about the same). So I would have to wonder whether specific instances of catastrophic tragedy were the salient determiner of quality.
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"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I’ll do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman

Snorri · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject:

Snorri · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject:

But whatever. Both systems are equally bad. Vote Republican.
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