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2012-07-23 Where Was I?
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when people call our culture a "rape culture," it's pretty much analogous to what people mean when they say we've got a "culture of violence." it doesn't mean we all publicly and explicitly condone rape, anymore than we publicly and explicitly condone violence of any other sort; what it means is that aspects of our culture serve to encourage and cover up sexual violence despite official condemnation of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ookamo wrote:
I bet there's some Warlock paper-meshing-back-together action going on behind his back. That or a spybot has him in sights reporting back to master.


Speaking of spybots, Tat should adopt the enlightened bots from Lime and then Pooch can raise them alongside Bally. Adorableness would ensue. Unless Percy got his hands on one then he'd probably teach it to kill like Yarny and it would be less cute (okay probably just as cute watching it fail to kill anything Percy asks it to)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, we've already unofficially established one as a wannabe dalek... that can be percy's
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

& there Asland goes, assigning motives to me & stating I have said things I have not. I never said I do not want Tat to raise awareness of rape culture. I simply said I not want to see a rape storyline. I not like gross outs so I don't watch the Jackass "movies" or TV series. It's as simple as that.

*oddly finds himself having to join Adyon, Shadowcell, Yinello, & Monkey as other people Ashland has projected falsehoods on* Hey guys, any more seats are all they all taken?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcycle wrote:
& there Asland goes, assigning motives to me & stating I have said things I have not. I never said I do not want Tat to raise awareness of rape culture. I simply said I not want to see a rape storyline. I not like gross outs so I don't watch the Jackass "movies" or TV series. It's as simple as that.

*oddly finds himself having to join Adyon, Shadowcell, Yinello, & Monkey as other people Ashland has projected falsehoods on* Hey guys, any more seats are all they all taken?


Well hey, let me sit down right there next to you, because I realize all this time I've been projecting falsehoods on myself. Allow me to explain something.

One of the major problems you'll get with a guy like me when it comes to such a revolutionary, view-changing thing as Tat's feminism comics is that in some cases, I've been there. Take the whole thing with Sam and Liberty, where she wants Sam to stop killing people and to stop the porn, but she lists the porn first because thanks to these comics, we now realize it's a major contributor to everything else that's wrong.

I lived with a girlfriend for about four years and dated her for five, and in that span of time the issue of being rejected for sexual advances came up from time to time. Not according to norm, it was usually she who was more aggressive, and would sometimes go to the other room to be alone with the computer for a while.

At the time I did not realize that such was the entire cause of destruction for my relationship, but that, clearly, was an issue. The fact is, my girlfriend had been so thoroughly corrupted by rape culture that she believed she should enjoy letting me do things to her, and she erroneously believed she was enjoying it so much that she got upset when she was denied the option to be dominated. That's something the patriarchy did.

At the time I thought she just liked trying new positions, being subjected to a half hour of (what I now realize was) unpleasant foreplay, an hour of selfish, soul-crushing intimacy where she, brainwashed as she was, often asked me to be on top and do most of the work, and finally, another hour of cuddling where we reinforced the notion that she was my property.

When we had conflicts over it, I thought it was because what amounted to a sometimes exhausting and time-consuming evening for me happened to be very relaxing and a strong source of bonding for her. However, we were fools. Because we'd watched pornography - and more horrible, sometimes I wrote erotica for her by request, only further driving the crowbar of sexism into things - we were both tricked into not seeing what really lay behind our actions.

What she told me she liked was all tacitly influenced by rape culture! I've been so sexist and stupid, and I had no idea about women and didn't value them or respect them! I didn't understand that showing us all these women being degraded int he comic and having their feminine charms reduced to ash and garbage was exactly what we needed to make them strong.

This comic. What this comic is doing is genius. It's amazing. At first it looks like only the women are being made into nothing, and the men are being left as they are - shown as dominant and naturally powerful due to society, even - because the men are already in power and it doesn't make sense to tear them down. Men don't need power, they don't need to shave their heads and exclude themselves from societal norms. We don't need them to gain anymore strength than they already have.

However, look deeper than the first glance, and you realize EVERYONE is being torn down. First the women are torn down because that's their natural state in society today. It's deplorable, and I'm so glad my eyes have been opened so I can enjoy the comics again. But then the men are also being torn down because they're ruining the women, and that in and of itself is a horrible, deleterious quality that makes the men so much less than what they should be. It's deep, endless spiral of degradation that ruins everyone the more and more you look into it, and the stronger you allow yourself to be pulled into that morass, the more horrible you realize it all is!

That's why we need a rape comic, because otherwise, a normal person sees Sam and they think "He's a normal guy. He looks at porn, like my girlfriend and I do." But they haven't had the life-altering experience brought to them yet. McDermott hasn't called them sexist enough, and Dogen hasn't called them an ass. They haven't been ridiculed by the... by the... the inexplicable genius you can find here on this forum. They haven't faced enough hostility for having a normal, balanced view of the world. They need Feminism to make things balanced in a better way.

We want people to see Sam and think, "Sam is a raping guy. He looks at porn, which is rape, and it makes my girlfriend like being raped and it makes me want to rape my girlfriend."

AND! Can you imagine a universe where we have couples where the girl THINKS she likes having sex in a certain way, but she doesn't because rape culture, and then the guy THINKS he likes having sex in the same way, but he actually doesn't because rape culture, and they have sex and both of them enjoy and neither of them EVER KNOW they weren't supposed to enjoy it!!! WHAT IF SOCIETY STAYS THIS WAY!?!?

This will never be women's equality if we don't show that women cannot have this sex that way and men cannot like sex any ways except what women like or else we are unequal!

Guys, I think I have finally understand you. I have converted over to your team I get your thinking now and you are right and I was very bad and I was very evil. I wanted to save women in my own way by keeping things the way the were but just respecting women and trusting they are smart and able to do things on their own but now I know women don't know how to do things on their own because feminism showed me that I had my boot on them and I was sexist.

So I think please we need a comic showing more clearly that women are raped and not useful because society and rape culture and they can't get ahead in life because it will build them up and make them strong to show them like that, because people will stop and think "I am raping my girlfriend" and then they'll know that and will stop and their girlfriend will have empowerment.

This is really good that Sinfest has tried so hard so long but now I think Tat needs to work harder to make his message very clear you guys. And anyway now that we are a team now that Crayven guy and the Lich Mong are so dumb for not being able to see the things that we see and I think they're not smart and they should go away because they're BAD PEOPLE. Do you here me Lich Mong I wasn't smart but now i am so you should lern from my example. We're pretty smart guys who r 8gainst u.[/i]
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are trying way too hard to achieve results of diminishing value, man
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up until a couple days ago, I didn't know Ashland knew how to use sarcasm. Crap! I better change my comebacks, because he can see them for what they are it seems! xD

Even if Ashland is saying this with sarcasm and everything, I'll admit it makes reading his posts more entertaining. There's a lot more thought put into saying things the way he is than how he did before. =P

Motorcycle wrote:
*oddly finds himself having to join Adyon, Shadowcell, Yinello, & Monkey as other people Ashland has projected falsehoods on* Hey guys, any more seats are all they all taken?
Eh, we're getting full, but we'll squeeze you in. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just sad that Ashland continues to believe anyone thinks women shouldn't be allowed to have whatever kinks they want, or enjoy sex in whatever way they like. I don't know what feminists he's arguing with, but it's apparently not us.
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ktern



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well ashland if you are concerned about your rape habit this will solve all your problems

http://www.antirape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6&Itemid=18
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frijolefrito



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been a reader for awhile but I signed up just to post on this thread.

I don't care if he's going in one direction or another but complete it. Pick one storyline and develop it! Donít' give me 4 or 5 half baked stories that could be good but they just aren't doing anything. I love his artwork and the imaginative characters. What I don't like is he's trying to be deep and completely failing at it.

I don't know how this whole topic of RAPE came up but to me the discussion is stupid. The reason why is no one is getting raped in the comics. Porn isn't rape! Look up the definition of rape if you are confused. Just because some people have had psycho girlfriends doesn't mean porn is teaching you how to rape people. A normal person can usually figure out that DPing or running trains on girls is not normal. If not their parents should be shot.

It's easy for people to say how America shouldn't fight anyone or how terrible it is. You really have no idea how the rest of the world lives and works. You don't have anything besides your arm chair [insert news channel here] education and/or your internet "this how I feel things are so they are" type logic. I've lived in all the major European countries, grew up in the states and I can tell you the U.S. isn't perfect but it's better than any alternative there is. Places are nice when you are on vacation but once you break down into the nuts and bolts of daily living itís horrible. Did you know that England rejected but was seriously considering a ďpastry taxĒ? Look it up. While you are at it look up their TV tax and VAT tax. Youíll find it funny how they treat closets as rooms, the costs of houses, and much much more. We had to fight them to get away from that. War is never good but itís necessary.

To the people who say this comic is to say fu to his fan boys complaining about the story arcs. That's not funny. For one his web comic is free it costs nothing for people to glance at it for 5 seconds and see if it's any good. You want to piss off your fan base? Fine. It's not like it costs me anything and I can go to other online comics. This comic isn't the only thing out there. Why do I check it now? The story line is blah with some nuggets of wit and I'm just riding it out hoping it gets better. If he started charging as little as 1 dollar for a whole year to view I wouldn't pay.

Finally this whole feminism, porn, devil thing is him being a total hypocrite to his original stuff. His first stuff was letís see dat ass and please come into my room and get naked right away. If you are going to discuss this kind of content through your comic at least make it good. Not 5 story arcs saying the same thing terribly. I'd also like to note I'm not looking for more raunchy and immature story. I'm just looking for a good story. Burrito bananas hilarious.

Oh and the pot smoking pig's comics about him getting high are stupid. I'd rather read this recent garbage than another bacon gets high story.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many of these random people are just the same person making trolling accounts. Haha.

But this is the first one I'm completely like, "Why are you even reading Sinfest?" You end by even complaining about not liking Squig. I feel like if that's so bad to you, 90% of the comic had to annoy you. What were you reading for anyway? Hot devil chicks?

Also your logic is faulty, and you go on to do the "You don't have anything besides your arm chair [insert news channel here] education and/or your internet "this how I feel things are so they are" type logic" rant, that is ironically what a lot of people here would use to say about you. Considering you're talking people's ignorance and the world not being perfect, and the "pastry tax" was your example. -_-
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frijolefrito wrote:
I've been a reader for awhile but I signed up just to post on this thread.

I don't care if he's going in one direction or another but complete it. Pick one storyline and develop it! Donít' give me 4 or 5 half baked stories that could be good but they just aren't doing anything.


Tat quite often starts stories without them coming to a definitive conclusion - its not a recent thing. I think this is the consequence of seeing where a story takes you, and seeing what naturally follows than having a defined arc to begin with. In any case, Tat has mentioned story telling is a skill he wants to develop.

What we are seeing (free of charge) is one artist's journey towards realizing his ability.

Think of a dedicated artist, all those paintings that are never finished and are never shared outside his studio flat? How they chart his progression over the years... - well this webcomic can be considered in that light, except they are shared.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adyon wrote:
I wonder how many of these random people are just the same person making trolling accounts. Haha.


Dude seriously, whoever it is they're getting so desperate for names you can tell they just looked around lethargically for ideas and saw an old bag of fritos by the computer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a troll this is a name I've used forever. It means refried bean in spanish and has nothing to do with fritos.. except you can scoop beans with fritos.

I realize he doesn't get right to the point all the time but it feels like he's not making any point. For example I loved his whole gods thing and having buddah on a cloud ect. His Jesus hands and the imitation stuff love that stuff. I like the god versus the devil stuff it's great how he does those things. I don't mind that he cuts form a story and does something like calligraphy or the cat and dogs bits. I liked all that. As for the pig I'm really not a fan of stoner type humor. I can see the shapings of the feminist plot line even though I'm not a real fan of it. What I'm really not getting out of it all is a laugh or even an oh that's neat and interesting.

I feel that some of these responses are people so full of themselves that I must be a troll since I've voiced some opinion someone else has had. Well I'm not but it's sad to see a comic you've really liked going to what I believe is crap because like Rome he's spreading himself too thin or not story telling very well. It also could be my mental capacity is just too small to be able to understand the complexities of his writing.

I also want to thank tidan for giving some kind of response that wasn't someone pointing the trololololol finger.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adyon wrote:
I wonder how many of these random people are just the same person making trolling accounts. Haha.

But this is the first one I'm completely like, "Why are you even reading Sinfest?" You end by even complaining about not liking Squig. I feel like if that's so bad to you, 90% of the comic had to annoy you. What were you reading for anyway? Hot devil chicks?

Also your logic is faulty, and you go on to do the "You don't have anything besides your arm chair [insert news channel here] education and/or your internet "this how I feel things are so they are" type logic" rant, that is ironically what a lot of people here would use to say about you. Considering you're talking people's ignorance and the world not being perfect, and the "pastry tax" was your example. -_-


Link to the pastry tax.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2151287/Pasty-tax-U-turn-ends-threat-50p-VAT-increase-long-eat-Greggs-dont-mind-lukewarm-one.html

In my above post I pointed out what I liked. You can accuse me of whatever you want but I've been around and seen things for myself.
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