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Ember778



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShadowCell wrote:
hahahahahahaha "opinion"

my favorite part is how by always coming back, he keeps proving me right


I kinda don't always come back. Usually when I get bored or "lose" I stop posting in said thread.

But yeah opinion. Usually what I add. Although I can't say I remember all of what I've posted so maybe there are some non-opinionated posts. I honestly don't remember.
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Monkey Mcdermott



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ember778 wrote:

And you're welcome to feel that way, but I'm pretty sure most of what I've posted has been opinions. Which kind of makes it impossible to prove me wrong. You can't really prove opinions wrong.



Except where opinions clash with objective facts. Yknow like all those people with opinions about climate science.
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Ember778



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Ember778 wrote:

And you're welcome to feel that way, but I'm pretty sure most of what I've posted has been opinions. Which kind of makes it impossible to prove me wrong. You can't really prove opinions wrong.



Except where opinions clash with objective facts. Yknow like all those people with opinions about climate science.


Such as? You know how about an actual example.
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Monkey Mcdermott



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should I, I'm not going to change your opinion. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ember778 wrote:
because at the end of the day I'll still be super awesome.


you just keep telling yourself that, sparky.
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

opinion is not the same as taste

for reals! you are acting as though in expressing an opinion, all you're expressing is "i think x." on some level, that is obviously true and can't really be proven wrong, but it is not the sense anyone uses when they actually talk to you. 'cuz you didn't just express "i think x." you also expressed "x." when you expressed "x," it turns out "x" is some statement about the world, which can be true or false depending on how the world is.

this is not the same as taste, because if you say something like "i think apples taste better than oranges," you are expressing something that can't actually be proven wrong, at least not normally. there is no objective world of forms to which we can appeal to decide if apples actually do taste better than oranges, nor can we actually prove that you're wrong and you actually think oranges taste better than apples. but if you say something like "i think the Holocaust never happened," there is an objective world to which we can appeal to decide whether the Holocaust happened and thus whether the opinion "the Holocaust never happened" is correct. this mystical realm of facts is commonly called "the world," and it says that the Holocaust did happen, so it looks like your opinion is objectively, provably wrong.

so if all you are expressing is that you have an opinion x, that is trivially true; but you are not just expressing that you have an opinion x, you are also expressing the opinion itself, x. and x can be true or false, which means your opinion sure as hell can be proven wrong.

qed ipso facto e pluribus unum IN DA HAAAAAAAAAAAAUS
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Dennis J. Squidbunny



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man, ember. what a guy.
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Ember778



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShadowCell wrote:
opinion is not the same as taste

for reals! you are acting as though in expressing an opinion, all you're expressing is "i think x." on some level, that is obviously true and can't really be proven wrong, but it is not the sense anyone uses when they actually talk to you. 'cuz you didn't just express "i think x." you also expressed "x." when you expressed "x," it turns out "x" is some statement about the world, which can be true or false depending on how the world is.

this is not the same as taste, because if you say something like "i think apples taste better than oranges," you are expressing something that can't actually be proven wrong, at least not normally. there is no objective world of forms to which we can appeal to decide if apples actually do taste better than oranges, nor can we actually prove that you're wrong and you actually think oranges taste better than apples. but if you say something like "i think the Holocaust never happened," there is an objective world to which we can appeal to decide whether the Holocaust happened and thus whether the opinion "the Holocaust never happened" is correct. this mystical realm of facts is commonly called "the world," and it says that the Holocaust did happen, so it looks like your opinion is objectively, provably wrong.

so if all you are expressing is that you have an opinion x, that is trivially true; but you are not just expressing that you have an opinion x, you are also expressing the opinion itself, x. and x can be true or false, which means your opinion sure as hell can be proven wrong.

qed ipso facto e pluribus unum IN DA HAAAAAAAAAAAAUS


Well since I never said the holocaust never happened.
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Ember778



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
Ember778 wrote:
because at the end of the day I'll still be super awesome.


you just keep telling yourself that, sparky.


I'm sorry what was that? I couldn't hear you over all my money, muscles, intelligence, and parents that love me unconditionally.

I honestly couldn't ask for a better life.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ember778 wrote:
Well since I never said the holocaust never happened.
*FWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET*



Player has missed the point. 10 yard penalty, repeat second down.
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almost a shame to waste dennis' talent on him.
except it's always a pleasure to see a good dennis insult.
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Ember778



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MerchManDan wrote:
Ember778 wrote:
Well since I never said the holocaust never happened.
*FWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET*

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Player has missed the point. 10 yard penalty, repeat second down.


Apparently you missed the point. I asked for a real example and I got xs.
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Dennis J. Squidbunny



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While it's awesome that you can find time between counting your ca$h dollazzz, rubbing linseed oil into your calves, applying to Mensa and being breast fed by your dad, maybe in some ways it would be better if you didn't post anymore?

I mean... for all of us.
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in other words you can't think of an actual objection, but you don't want to admit that i'm right, so you're making irrelevant complaints
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apparently you missed the point. I asked for a real example and I got xs.
Of course. I'll correct myself thusly:

Player is deliberately avoiding the point; delay of game. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
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almost a shame to waste dennis' talent on him.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one making a crack about their PhD and 2% body fat? Hm.
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