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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"If anyone thinks kids really write these letters, then I have a bridge to sell you."

It pisses me off when people underestimate kids. No wonder our education system sucks - we don't expect even basic linguistic comprehension. This letter is absolutely within the abilities of kids.

But kids can be disenfranchised. Totally. Razz

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTrees wrote:
I just realized that Romney's attack on Sesame Street makes perfect sense! Children don't pay taxes or vote.

It's brilliant!

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Nothing but a bunch of bleeding heart socialists they are. It's like they need someone to take care of them and provide for them or something.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
8 year-old to Romney: Please don't cancel Sesame Street.


Dear Cecilia,

Thank you for your letter. Your compassion is touching, but you really don't have to worry about Big Bird. I couldn't fire him even if I wanted to (and I don't; I even said I like Big Bird in the debate), but if the public did stop funding PBS, Big Bird would still earn over $15 million a year in licensing and merchandising. Ask your mommy and daddy about Tickle Me Elmo sales a few years ago. Big Bird will be just fine.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mindslicer wrote:
Darqcyde wrote:
8 year-old to Romney: Please don't cancel Sesame Street.


Dear Cecilia,

Thank you for your letter. Your compassion is touching, but you really don't have to worry about Big Bird. I couldn't fire him even if I wanted to (and I don't; I even said I like Big Bird in the debate), but if the public did stop funding PBS, Big Bird would still earn over $15 million a year in licensing and merchandising. Ask your mommy and daddy about Tickle Me Elmo sales a few years ago. Big Bird will be just fine.

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I hope you're being sarcastic, because your point is m00t. The issue is really about getting rid of PBS, not just Sesame Street. And the issue with Government funding doesn't have to do with the content, it has to do with the stations that broadcast it. Basically (I'm tired, if you doubt what I'm going to say, go look it up) 90% of the stations would be out of business within a year if it weren't for the government money PBS gets, it's pretty much the same boat NPR is in. And the funding they get is less than 1/100 of 1% of Congress' total budget.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
Darqcyde wrote:
8 year-old to Romney: Please don't cancel Sesame Street.


Dear Cecilia,

Thank you for your letter. Your compassion is touching, but you really don't have to worry about Big Bird. I couldn't fire him even if I wanted to (and I don't; I even said I like Big Bird in the debate), but if the public did stop funding PBS, Big Bird would still earn over $15 million a year in licensing and merchandising. Ask your mommy and daddy about Tickle Me Elmo sales a few years ago. Big Bird will be just fine.

Love,
Mitt

I hope you're being sarcastic, because your point is m00t. The issue is really about getting rid of PBS, not just Sesame Street. And the issue with Government funding doesn't have to do with the content, it has to do with the stations that broadcast it. Basically (I'm tired, if you doubt what I'm going to say, go look it up) 90% of the stations would be out of business within a year if it weren't for the government money PBS gets, it's pretty much the same boat NPR is in. And the funding they get is less than 1/100 of 1% of Congress' total budget.


And the broadcasting rights to the most popular programs would be bid over by other stations and still remain on the air. And the behind-the-scenes people who work at those stations would retain their knowledge and talents and therefore be able to bring those talents to other stations.

Also, if any point is moot, it's your last one. "Oh, we're just talking a teeny tiny portion of the budget so there's no reason to consider cutting it." I'm fine with every penny the government spends being scrutinized, from the big items like defense, SS, and Medicare all the way down to the brand of paper in the White House copier.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So other for profit stations are magically going to create jobs to accommodate out of work pbs affiliate employees? And you're comparing millions spent on worthwhile pursuits that people want to a couple of trillion on military defense that NOBODY wants? The cost for PBS vs. the military spending Romney wants is amounts to about .0225%, 450 million vs 2 trillion. BTW 93% of Sesame Street's cost come from the licensing revenue you're talking about, so it's not like the Government is really keeping Big Bird on the air from the content provider side.

Some links, some are old btw:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/03/news/economy/mitt_romney_budget/index.htm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pbs-hits-back-at-romney-does-not-understand-the-value-of-public-broadcasting/ (watch the CNN vid linked here)

York County paper puts numbers in perspectives wrote:
During Wednesday night's presidential debates -- the first in a series of three meetings between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney -- Romney said, if elected, he will cut funding for PBS if the government has to borrow money from China to fund it.
How much would it save the United States to give Big Bird the pink slip?
The following is how much the government allocates to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting -- the parent of PBS -- in relation to how much it spends on some other entities. York County's budget also is included for comparison. All data is for fiscal year 2013 unless otherwise noted:

--- Corporation for Public Broadcasting: $445 million

--- York County's budget: $450.5 million in 2012 (1.01 times what the U.S. government allots to CPB)

--- Amtrak: $1.56 billion in 2010 (3.5 times as much as CPB)

--- National Endowment for the Arts: $146 million in 2012 (0.32 times as much as CPB)

--- Pensions, including disability, sickness and old-age: $878.5 billion (1,974 times as much as CPB)

--- Healthcare, including Medicare, Medicaid, public health services and vendor payments for those on welfare: $916.1 billion (2,058 times as much as CPB)

--- Education: $136.1 billion (nearly 306 times as much as CPB)

--- Defense, including military defense, veterans, foreign military aid and foreign economic aid: $901.4 billion (2,025 times as much as CPB)

--- Wellfare, including family and children, unemployment, workers compensations and housing: $422.3 billion (nearly 949 times as much as CPB)

--- Protection, including police and fire services, courts and prisons: $62.8 billion (141 times as much as CPB)

--- Transportation: $114.2 billion (256 times as much as CPB)
More information on government spending can be found at the U.S. Government Printing Office.


You voted for Romney as governor, didn't you?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
So other for profit stations are magically going to create jobs to accommodate out of work pbs affiliate employees?


If for-profit stations decide they need more people they will hire more people, or they will get rid of less competent employees if there are better people available. No magic involved.

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And you're comparing millions spent on worthwhile pursuits that people want to a couple of trillion on military defense that NOBODY wants?


No, I merely said all programs should be subject to scrutiny.

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The cost for PBS vs. the military burbleframitz cobblerobble...


Yawn.

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You voted for Romney as governor, didn't you?


He never ran for Governor of NH, and even if he did he wouldn't get my vote.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, you started talking about jobs that don't exist being available.
Mindslicer wrote:
And the behind-the-scenes people who work at those stations would retain their knowledge and talents and therefore be able to bring those talents to other stations.

It is significantly harder for people in entertainment production that are more experienced and make higher wages to get new jobs.

And your also forgetting the part where 70% of americans want/like PBS. This is part of cutting education, something we only need to increase spending on. Significantly.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darqcyde wrote:
Nope, you started talking about jobs that don't exist being available.
Mindslicer wrote:
And the behind-the-scenes people who work at those stations would retain their knowledge and talents and therefore be able to bring those talents to other stations.


Nowhere did I guarantee success. Did I?

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It is significantly harder for people in entertainment production that are more experienced and make higher wages to get new jobs.


Citation needed.

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And your also forgetting the part where 70% of americans want/like PBS. This is part of cutting education, something we only need to increase spending on. Significantly.


If that many people want/like it, then it should be able to be funded just fine on its own. I daresay fewer than 70% of people want/like Ford vehicles, yet I don't see them desperate for government funding.

And spend significantly more money on education? We've been doing that for decades and have yet to see commensurate results.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arguing over cutting pbs funding to help manage the budget is pretty pointless, it's such a small amount of money compared to say...defense spending that if you're looking for fat to trim setting your sights there is like giving up 1 can of soda a day to save money while continuing to eat out at the best restaurants 3 meals a day.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More like giving up your daily gumball.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mindslicer wrote:
Darqcyde wrote:
Nope, you started talking about jobs that don't exist being available.
Mindslicer wrote:
And the behind-the-scenes people who work at those stations would retain their knowledge and talents and therefore be able to bring those talents to other stations.


Nowhere did I guarantee success. Did I?

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It is significantly harder for people in entertainment production that are more experienced and make higher wages to get new jobs.


Citation needed.


Half of my professors. When you're a creative writing major with a concentration entertainment they hammer home the fact that production companies regularly will hire new talent solely based on lower pay expectations. It's why the industry is so stressful, one good fuck up and you can literately be done for life, regardless of past successes.

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And your also forgetting the part where 70% of americans want/like PBS. This is part of cutting education, something we only need to increase spending on. Significantly.


If that many people want/like it, then it should be able to be funded just fine on its own. I daresay fewer than 70% of people want/like Ford vehicles, yet I don't see them desperate for government funding.

And spend significantly more money on education? We've been doing that for decades and have yet to see commensurate results.



Math went up, reading/ writing went down, I'm not sure what your point is?
I'd say this is correlation w/o causation, but I'm having a hard time making out the correlation you're trying to assert.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I just HAD to say something to this. But if it gets dropped after this I promise I'll leave.

Darqcyde wrote:

Dude. You raped your sister, spun it around to be her fault, and told us all here all about about it. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. EVER. EVER.


I was 14 when I came out on these forums and all that drama happened. I was 13 when I first showed up and started posting. And I was even young than that when the events you're TRYING to talk about (and misrepresenting to the point of outright bald-faced lying) occured.

To say that I didn't know what I was doing would be something of an understatement.

YOU, on the other hand, have known what you're about the entire time, and you've been hating on me since the beginning.

So: what's YOUR excuse for abusing a child?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will now compulsively point out that I think your signature is stupid, Dragonwriter. I don't know what happened in the past, but I can't take you seriously with that signature.
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hahahaha wtf
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened in the past is that he came out on this forum as a rapist of his sister, despite all his assurances that he feels really bad about it he hasn't gone to the police to turn himself in and receive punishment for his crime.

On top of which years afterward he made a return where he complained about how promiscuous and out of control his sister was, when it was pointed out that this may well be a result of the kind of psychological damage being raped by an older sibling might leave behind, he proceeded to blame it on her not having enough strength of character to be any other way, and assured us that she had totally forgiven him for the rape.


So thats.....wassup.
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