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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 8538 Location: Bellingham, WA

Right, she doesn't know Milton, that we know of. She knows he works for Devil Corp. and makes the fembots, but there's no evidence she knows anything about him. How people are going from "refusing help from someone who does something that personally offends her" to "she should broaden her horizons" takes some mental calisthenics I have yet to master. No one has any obligation to like anyone else, especially someone who does things you find awful. Not liking a person doesn't make you a bad person, and not wanting help (from anyone) doesn't either. Stubborn, sure.

That just seems like common sense to me.
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fritterdonut · Joined: 24 Jul 2012 Posts: 269 Location: Krieg ohne Hass.

I was totally going to bring up von Braun earlier, but I didn't have the time for making a coherent post.

I was going to bring for more of the, "Scientist without morals" sort of deal. The kind that don't care who signs the funding checks, as long as they can continue on with research. It's not really being actively "evil"... just apathetic. Whether or not apathy is grounds for innocence or at least forgiveness is something that has been debated for a longass time.

Perhaps if someone could entice Milton with a new laboratory and stuff to play with... Get him working on something more productive. Like rocket cars. Or a laptop with a battery life longer than 5 minutes.

MerchManDan · Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 1316 Location: Somewhere else.

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ShadowCell · Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 4449 Location: California

how is that any different than disregarding "no means no" in the context of sex? either way you're disregarding what they actually said, and assuming that you know better.

Rothide · Joined: 14 Jul 2012 Posts: 86

Cause sometimes you do know better than them, like the alcoholic or drug addict where an intervention is held. And sometimes, people could be the strongest frigging individual in the world, and would decline help because they feel it would inconvenience you. If glossy would have just said, "No, thanks for the offer though." a second time and he pushed the issue, I would understand, but it was basically just, one no thanks, then a blow up.

And don't bring up no means no in a sexual way, there is nothing here that is sexual at all, besides the fem-bots that Milton makes.

Man you people could not live in Japan, their whole society is based on humbleness and not accepting things the first time even if they do want to do something.

ShadowCell · Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 4449 Location: California

that is also a bad analogy and you should also feel bad

Rothide · Joined: 14 Jul 2012 Posts: 86

I don't care if it is a bad analogy, its an analogy that happens in real life all the time. if you offered someone help and they said no, would you always 100% accept it and leave without offering a second time?

ShadowCell · Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 4449 Location: California

addiction interventions are not what we're talking about here, so your analogy is still bad and you should still feel bad. absolute generalizations built into stupid questions like "if you offered someone help and they said no, would you always 100% accept it and leave without offering a second time?" are also bad and you should also feel bad.

christ almighty. if someone really wanted your help when you offer it, they'd say so. if they don't say so, well, that's their fault. assuming that you know better and you can harangue them into admitting their true feelings or whatever just makes you a patronizing dick--and, in other contexts, part of the problem.

and it suggests that your "offer of help" is not really about helping the other person.

Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 8538 Location: Bellingham, WA

Rothide · Joined: 14 Jul 2012 Posts: 86

Wait, you really think that offering help to someone a second time is just a way to get one up over someone? To show your superior, not just really wanting to help?

From what I'm getting you expect everyone to speak truthfully about their feelings 100% all the time, and most people don't do that.