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[Sam]

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Breaking: 1st update- #prop8 unlikely to be upheld; either struck down or #scotus won’t decide case. More in 30 mins.

gg

additional commentary to come

[WheelsOfConfusion]

Another legal blow to institutionalized bigotry.

[Felgraf]

From part of today's arguments:

"JUSTICE SCALIA: I’m curious, when -­ when did — when did it become unconstitutional to exclude homosexual couples from marriage? 1791? 1868, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted? Sometimes — some time after Baker, where we said it didn’t even raise a substantial Federal question? When — when — when did the law become this?

MR. OLSON: When — may I answer this in the form of a rhetorical question? When did it become unconstitutional to prohibit interracial marriages? When did it become unconstitutional to assign children to separate schools."

OH SNAP.

Yeaaaah, Scalia was not pleased by that counter-argument.
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[WheelsOfConfusion]

Scalia can't die soon enough.
There's no point is dressing that up to make it sound less bitter than it really is.

[Heretical Rants]

Mr. Olson knows how to lay it down.
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[Sam]

Scalia and Thompson are, honestly, just amazing in the historical context that they live within.

Thomas is, in particular, despairingly terrible to fathom in the context of being a chief justice of the most powerful nation on earth. When he becomes a matter of legal history, he will be one of the strangest oddities we have in the history books. It will be difficult to imagine that this man was a supreme court justice in the 2010's. To give you an idea about how weird it is, it would be like if Strom Thurmond was 80 today, alive, was the vice president, and was elected on the platform of returning anti-miscegenation laws into full federal force. That's how weird it is that Thomas is a supreme court justice today.

Thomas and Scalia's originalism is incomprehensibly asinine; their positions on social matters are astonishingly regressive and repressive, and Thompson's positions on cruel and unusual punishment, guantanamo, and several other issues (along with Scalia's foreboding compliance with such) make you realize that you are looking at the two most dangerous people to the future of this country. Period.

This comes off as plentiful hyperbole, it really does. But I can get back to that later, if anyone really wants to take a look at some despairingly terrible stuff. They need to retire or die. Few things are legitimately as important to the progress of this nation.

[mouse]

"when did it become unconstitutional to exclude homosexual couples..." WTF? when was it stated in the constitution that it was acceptable to exclude them? isn't that what the whole case is about?

there was an op-ed in the NYTimes the other day speculating what sort of shit scalia would come out with, since he has already made it very clear that he is homophobic (which prior statements, one would think, would require his recusal, but of course Our Lord Scalia would never stand aside) - anyway, it sounds like his inappropriate remarks have been increasing of late - one wonders if it is a sign of dementia, or just his increasing certainty that he is entitled to say or do whatever he likes, because he is the Great Justice Scalia. unfortunately, at 78, he could be good for another 10 yrs. he is the prime example of why we should stop appointing justices for life.

btw - any response from the other justices? sotomayor slapped him around a bit on voting rights; it would be nice if that sort of thing became a regular feature.
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[mouse]

thomas should never have gotten to the supreme court. he had terrible ratings from the ABA, he was clearly not qualified, and he has done nothing since to suggest that that judgement was in error. unfortunately, his appointment became all about what you (or specifically, the senate) believed about sexual harassment. and what they believed was, they didn't want to hear about it.
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[Sam]

JUSTICE BREYER: Am I not clear? Look, you said that the problem is marriage; that it is an institution that furthers procreation.

MR. COOPER: Yes, Your Honor.

JUSTICE BREYER: And the reason there was adoption, but that doesn't apply to California. So imagine I wall off California and I'm looking just there, where you say that doesn't apply. Now, what happens to your argument about the institution of marriage as a tool towards procreation? Given the fact that, in California, too, couples that aren't gay but can't have children get married all the time.

MR. COOPER: Yes, Your Honor. The concern is that redefining marriage as a genderless institution will sever its abiding connection to its historic traditional procreative purposes, and it will refocus, refocus the purpose of marriage and the definition of marriage away from the raising of children and to the emotional needs and desires of adults, of adult couples. Suppose, in turn--

JUSTICE KAGAN: Well, suppose a State said, Mr. Cooper, suppose a State said that, Because we think that the focus of marriage really should be on procreation, we are not going to give marriage licenses anymore to any couple where both people are over the age of 55. Would that be constitutional?

MR. COOPER: No, Your Honor, it would not be constitutional.

JUSTICE KAGAN: Because that's the same State interest, I would think, you know. If you are over the age of 55, you don't help us serve the Government's interest in regulating procreation through marriage. So why is that different?

MR. COOPER: Your Honor, even with respect to couples over the age of 55, it is very rare that both couples -- both parties to the couple are infertile, and the traditional --

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE KAGAN: No, really, because if the couple -- I can just assure you, if both the woman and the man are over the age of 55, there are not a lot of children coming out of that marriage.

(Laughter.)

[bitflipper]

Thank you for the light moment, Sam; I was about to get pissed as hell about that "emotional needs and desires of adults" crack. If there is a Mrs. Cooper, I truly feel sorry for her.
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[mouse]

i have really been impressed by how much the whole prop 8 fight illustrates that the defenders of marriage really don't have a clear idea of what, exactly, they are defending. 'cause it's clearly not the whole supportive partnership in-sickness-and-in-health thing, it can't really just be about children because you can't guarantee going in that the relationship is going to produce children unless you have a fertility requirement built in (and how would you say that was _not_ government overstepping it's rightful bounds?), it's not supposed to be about religion because separation between church and state (except that really is the whole reason that they hate the idea).....so what, exactly, is the purpose of this institution that they are defending unto death?
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[Arkhron]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure-who-cares,31812/

In an alternate universe The Onion is a reliable source of information and CNN a satyrical humor page...
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[Heretical Rants]

@mouse
well, yeah, obviously they have no real argument, and are just trying to rationalize one of the last instances where their bigotry is actually institutionalized

it's not even good rationalization

[Sam]

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