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2013-1-30 Patriarchy Blockers Engaged
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Sam



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a looksee through the archives and I think what appeals me most to old Sinfest are the same things that would, as in that comic, remind me of Bloom County.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 2013-1-30 Patriarchy Blockers Engaged Reply with quote


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1757

What I think lends an extra level to this rather basic gag is that, as 'Nique laughs at herself, Slick is laughing with her (okay, there's no literal laughter, but the principle is the same), not at her. I'd think that two people would have to be very good friends for there to be a moment like that.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More of 'Nique Light[hearted]:

(admittedly, a larger percentage of these do indeed have sexual context)


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1411


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1458


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1475


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1479


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1518


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1519


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1536


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1555


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1580


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1581


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1623


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1650


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1651


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1671


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1674


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1686


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1687


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1693


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1715


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1737


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1743


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1923


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1967


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1983


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2098


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2102


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2107
see also next few strips after that one


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2124


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2131


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2159
(I think the joke might’ve worked a bit better if Squig had asked “what flavor are the tampons?” but that’s just me.)


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2177


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2186
see also next few strips after that one


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2208
(A little hard to imagine ‘Nique of Today being casual enough to even sit on the grass.)


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2216


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2232


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2237


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2266


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2281
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mouse



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
I just had a looksee through the archives and I think what appeals me most to old Sinfest are the same things that would, as in that comic, remind me of Bloom County.


and i just realized, reading through what ronald just posted, how much some of that early wandering-around-and-talking stuff reminds me of pogo.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this posts gave me the nostalgia. Thank you Ronald.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooter martin luther king jr.

Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My porn name is Fatso Hyacinth.

I do specialty porn.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My porn name is Brandy Highway 206.

....I don't know.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should drop the 206 and just be Brandy Highway. Except that doesn't sound like a porn star. More like a cool bartender name.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now, 2007:


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2313

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2341

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2343

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2358

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2479

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2596

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2633

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2645

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2660
(also the next few following this one)
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Succubus1982



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald why praytell are you posting all of the fricken comics from the archives? Why not just link them or better yet direct people to the archives themselves. See this is why I voted you for poster I avoid. WAY too much pointless drivel in your posts Mad
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Super Saiya-jin Ragnarok



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's perfectly natural for Tat to have his characters explore new facets and interpretations of themselves as they discover different world perspectives. Just as others have pointed out, this stronger feminist take of 'Nique isn't really that far of a cry from who she has always been. Her personality hasn't changed she's just a bit more self-aware and looks at how she interacts with the world in a different way and is trying to adjust appropriately.

I've always seen Sinfest as a satirical mockery of the misogyny, hedonism, racism, and rampant "corruption" that makes society so great (for comedy). My only gripe I suppose would be that the direct feminist angle that's currently being taken removes some of the subtlety from the comic. Before we'd have Slick leering at 'Nique's ass and us laughing at how shallow he is. Now we get the Sisterhood glaring at him and directly pointing out his sexist misogyny and female objectification with a huge neon sign. While it's still funny the humor doesn't feel quite as clever or layered to me. But perhaps it's not that it's not as clever but rather it's just different.

I suppose it could be argued that the situation we run into now is that Sinfest has always been filled with childishly misogynist male characters. With the exception of maybe Crim, every long running male character has been a cartoonish vessel for male objectification of women. So for 'Nique and the Sisterhood to validly "attack" these men over what is essentially a huge part of their personalities (1) puts them at odds to such an extent to which some readers might find uncomfortable or (2) opens up their viewpoint to criticism as being straw feminism. However neither of these points necessitates Tat dropping this feminist angle or even changing it. Plus you could just as easily say that Slick is a straw misogynist. Comic characters are meant to be blatant exaggerations of stereotypes, philosophies, or cultural norms.

Either way, I know that many readers over the years could have been interpreting what many saw as satire as blatant "HA HA girls ARE hot and/or stupid!" (because that is their viewpoint) or perhaps are uncomfortable with the comic now due to the possibility that they themselves might harbor male bias on some level. Those individuals should not let that get in the way of their enjoyment of the current strips.

If Sinfest is making you frustrated or annoyed on this front then Tat is just doing his job and his art is getting even better at challenging it's audience to think AND laugh.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super Saiya-jin Ragnarok wrote:
It's perfectly natural for Tat to have his characters explore new facets and interpretations of themselves as they discover different world perspectives. Just as others have pointed out, this stronger feminist take of 'Nique isn't really that far of a cry from who she has always been. Her personality hasn't changed she's just a bit more self-aware and looks at how she interacts with the world in a different way and is trying to adjust appropriately.

I've always seen Sinfest as a satirical mockery of the misogyny, hedonism, racism, and rampant "corruption" that makes society so great (for comedy). My only gripe I suppose would be that the direct feminist angle that's currently being taken removes some of the subtlety from the comic. Before we'd have Slick leering at 'Nique's ass and us laughing at how shallow he is. Now we get the Sisterhood glaring at him and directly pointing out his sexist misogyny and female objectification with a huge neon sign. While it's still funny the humor doesn't feel quite as clever or layered to me. But perhaps it's not that it's not as clever but rather it's just different.

I suppose it could be argued that the situation we run into now is that Sinfest has always been filled with childishly misogynist male characters. With the exception of maybe Crim, every long running male character has been a cartoonish vessel for male objectification of women. So for 'Nique and the Sisterhood to validly "attack" these men over what is essentially a huge part of their personalities (1) puts them at odds to such an extent to which some readers might find uncomfortable or (2) opens up their viewpoint to criticism as being straw feminism. However neither of these points necessitates Tat dropping this feminist angle or even changing it. Plus you could just as easily say that Slick is a straw misogynist. Comic characters are meant to be blatant exaggerations of stereotypes, philosophies, or cultural norms.

Either way, I know that many readers over the years could have been interpreting what many saw as satire as blatant "HA HA girls ARE hot and/or stupid!" (because that is their viewpoint) or perhaps are uncomfortable with the comic now due to the possibility that they themselves might harbor male bias on some level. Those individuals should not let that get in the way of their enjoyment of the current strips.

If Sinfest is making you frustrated or annoyed on this front then Tat is just doing his job and his art is getting even better at challenging it's audience to think AND laugh.


I was with you until "Her personality hasn't changed". My whole initial point in this is that, leaving the feminism thing aside, her personality has changed and a lot. Ronald excessively pointed out examples that show us that it is a fact.

I have to concede, though, Tat has evidently gone through efforts of self-improvement(I mean, viewing those old strips you come to realize just how sketchy they were in comparison) and I can't blame him for attempting to change perspectives and viewpoints in their characters, even if a lot of what makes them is dropped in the process.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
I have to concede, though, Tat has evidently gone through efforts of self-improvement(I mean, viewing those old strips you come to realize just how sketchy they were in comparison)


B-b-but I like the sketchy old strips! They had a lot more detail. Just look at all those previous strips above and notice 'Nique's eyes.
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Super Saiya-jin Ragnarok



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
I was with you until "Her personality hasn't changed". My whole initial point in this is that, leaving the feminism thing aside, her personality has changed and a lot. Ronald excessively pointed out examples that show us that it is a fact.


I guess I saw 'Nique as not just being whimsical but just being multi-faceted and always in search of an identity. She's always been annoyed with men objectifying her. The only difference is that before she owned it and made it her "thing" where as now she's rejecting the objectification and seeking a new identity that denies it. She's always tried to be a rebel in some way shape or form and this is her way of doing that now. Not that I'm dismissing it as a phase though.

*shrug* Granted I am aware my view could easily be dismissed as a huge over-rationalization of her character growth.
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