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Ronald



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vector010 wrote:
I dunno, I mean at least for the Christian type nations didn't they still have the 10 commandments and all that? Wouldn't breaking "Though shalt not kill" in a nation that is ruled by the church be technically unlawful termination of a person's life?


To paraphrase Richard Nixon: "If the church did something, that meant it was not illegal." :-/

On another note, a more common interpretation of the Sixth Commandment is "Thou shalt not murder" (let's remember, the Bible wasn't written in English to begin with, there are all sorts of ways to interpret various passages in the original language) because if taken entirely literally, the Sixth Commandment forbids killing even in war, and no nation, Christian or not, was about to give up war.

And once they decided it didn't apply to war, they could just as easily decide it didn't apply to legal execution, either. People who allegedly revere the Ten Commandments have been finding ways around them for as long as the Commandments have existed. The Commandments also say "Thou shalt not commit adultery" yet look how many religious leaders, well, I won't belabor the point.

Besides, in medieval times, all that most people knew about what the Bible said was what the church told them it said.

Really, when you think about it, witch burnings were a variation of human sacrifice (also a horrific practice which killed mostly women): "We have to kill these people in order to make God happy. You don't want us to make God mad, do you?"
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Comic: I love Curly. She does things and gets results. I think it's always good to loudly protest and let your voice heard but sometimes actions speak so much louder. You can argue left and right if it's right or wrong, but she knows what she's doing. It's funny how Glossy gets all the hate - she's merely the spokesperson while Curly is the go-getter. Perfect presentation of real life too - people always hate the leader of a group when in fact it's the people behind him/her who do the real work.

Also what the hell thread. @.@
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
wow, I really didn't things could get much worse after someone said "is female genital mutilation really all that bad?"


Well, if people genuinely don't know exactly what the practice consists of, it's understandable that they wonder about how bad it is.

When I was younger and even more uninformed and naive than at present (hard though that may be to imagine), I thought that child pornography "simply" consisted of photographs of nude children, because that was my entire concept of any form of pornography: photographs of nude people. Period. I didn't know that pornography consisted of anything else because I didn't (and don't) have any particular interest in pornography of any sort.

So I was like "well, yeah, it's bad to photograph nude children, but it doesn't sound as downright evil as I hear everyone saying child pornography is."

I subsequently learned more about the subject and discovered that child pornography can be more accurately described as photographs of nude children being assaulted and raped.

That's downright evil.

There are levels.

You (and i mean 'you' in the general sense) are only as ignorant as you choose to remain to be i.e. if someone brings something up, and you don't know what they are talking about, it is up to you if you choose to stay uninformed or if you choose to educate yourself: http://www.google.com/search?q=female+genital+mutilation

First result is the lengthy wiki article on the subject.
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Leohan



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I was called a dudebro...

That's completely new.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could anyone please explain what exactly this comic is trying to say?
Now that it is verbal, it should be clearer, but it really isn't. I don't really understand why the feminarchy is uploading these concepts and images, because I think it has absolutely nothing to do with the "obedience" thing beforehand. Apart from "foot binding", anyways.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LadySunami wrote:
Leohan wrote:
Xanthë wrote:
...Feminism is interested in solving those problems, and a rising tide lifts all boats. To the degree that feminism is against sexism, there isn’t a push for some perverse form of gender equality that would suggest more men be raped to equalise the number of rapes suffered by men and women, or some similarly absurd solution which would be an example of a zero sum game...

The rest of your post was very valuable as well but I don't like to make overly long quotes.

Yeah. I know that feminism is interested in this. Therefore I claim that the idea of "There is no such thing as female privilege" is not exactly evil or ill intentioned. I believe that it's just misguided and biased.

And I'm not really talking about the female/male rape/trafficking/murder/etc ratio. I mean that if the idea of male privilege is to be taken seriously, the obvious, undeniable counterpart should be acknowledged.

I agree with you that men's issues should be taken just as seriously as women's issues if we are to continue to progress towards true equality. The abandonment of men in some of the more vocal portions of the feminist movement (that I am aware of) really does bother me.

I think this is why I'm more inclined to be vocal on the issue of lgbt rights. It seems like where the feminist movement currently comes up short, the lgbt movement takes up the torch. What better way to prove that sex is only a small portion of any individual's being then to prove that men and women really can play whatever role they like in love or family life as well as in politics or the work place. I believe allowing same sex marriage is a wonderful way to prove men can be great fathers (and thus should not be overlooked in custody battles, mocked for being stay at home dads, etc.)!

I still consider myself a feminist though, since I'm unwilling to abandon the movement. If all reasonable feminists leave (aka, refuse to admit they're feminists), only the crazies will be left!

...Sorry, I'll just go with equalist despite having read Xanthë's link. Term's better anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zhuinden wrote:
Could anyone please explain what exactly this comic is trying to say?
Now that it is verbal, it should be clearer, but it really isn't. I don't really understand why the feminarchy is uploading these concepts and images, because I think it has absolutely nothing to do with the "obedience" thing beforehand. Apart from "foot binding", anyways.


traditionally, the things Curly adds are ways of enforcing the things the devil workers are uploading, or ways that the things the devil workers are uploading manifest in the actual world. ex.: the woman who doesn't "stand by her man" risks battery.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
...Sorry, I'll just go with equalist despite having read Xanthë's link. Term's better anyway.

Yeah I classify myself as an equalist too, though the one catch is when it's in conversation, I'm more than willing to say I believe in feminist ideals. The movement can sometimes get a bit off-kilter, sure, as just like any movement, extremists aren't banned. The big problem of course is that those extremists often become the figureheads for the opposition to straw man.

I do think the term equalist is more what people want. In fact, it's so much easier to say in a conversation without whatever person you're talking to shutting out anything you say after that from their preconceived bias.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's funny is how it's always dudes who want to rebrand the feminist movement to a less feminine term.


They all seem to have the same solitary lady friend who backs them up on that too.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about others, but I think the biggest problem with the term is not the term, but the media bastardization of said term. To me, as an advertiser, I think of maximum impact. What will help you the most.

It's much easier to rebrand a product than to get people to rethink their opinion of said product. If it's a positive one, the company won't change it, but if not, they'll try and find a way to "rebrand" themselves.

Same thing for feminism. The media has bastardized the concept for so long that people automatically think of it as a bad thing before you argue your points. That's why I never try to use the term when I'm arguing with someone over how women need equal rights. If it hurts my winning the argument and changing opinions, then I won't do it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
@Comic: I love Curly. She does things and gets results. I think it's always good to loudly protest and let your voice heard but sometimes actions speak so much louder. [...]

Also what the hell thread. @.@


Curly is awesome and, as someone else said before, she always seems to be able to access the system she wants. Those are some hacking skills!

As for "rebranding" feminism... I don't know. When we are talking about movements and ideologies, "rebranding" always seemed a bit like cheating to me.

A name change and I shouldn't remember what happened before (the good thing and the bad things)? I don't think so. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, not rebranding. The feminist movement can go its way, I'll go mine. I respect feminism, I respect the actions of several feminists, but I also choose to not call myself a feminist due to small but sufficient ideological differences. I can live with that.

A term so ingrained in popular knowledge shouldn't need rebranding. Repackaging (following Adyon's metaphor) should suffice.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HEY LOOK, MORE DUDES DECIDING WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN A MOVEMENT DETERMINED TO MANAGE MORE EQUALITY OF CHOICE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR NON DUDES!

WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE THAT THEY THINK THEY KNOW BEST ABOUT HOW IT SHOULD BE APPROACHED.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
HEY LOOK, MORE DUDES DECIDING WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN A MOVEMENT DETERMINED TO MANAGE MORE EQUALITY OF CHOICE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR NON DUDES!

WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE THAT THEY THINK THEY KNOW BEST ABOUT HOW IT SHOULD BE APPROACHED.

Before replying to a post you should read and think. Best way to not be a douche on the internet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really?

If you know the secrets of not coming across as a douche on the internet so well, why is it that whenever I see you post I get a strong whiff of vinegar and water?
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