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2013-02-24: Fierce mode
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LadySunami



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confuzledish wrote:
To be fair about the 'witch burning' panel, both men and women were burned at the stake.

True, but it was far more common for women.

Blasphemous man = witch
Independent man = normal
Promiscuous man = undesirable, but still not a witch

Blasphemous woman = witch
Independent woman = witch
Promiscuous woman = witch
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StateOfBedlam



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol wrote:
Edit: Crud. In the time it took me to type a response, the forum already addressed the hilarious "but what about the men?" posts.


Aw, you had a good response.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

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Zhuinden wrote:
Out of all the "gender programming" strips so far, this is the one I understand least.


I think the two you posted illustrate the concept better.


Pretty much. If I had been capable of altering the process of creating this comic, I would have added "domestic violence" onto the list.


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lol



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StateOfBedlam wrote:
lol wrote:
Edit: Crud. In the time it took me to type a response, the forum already addressed the hilarious "but what about the men?" posts.


Aw, you had a good response.

I just hate sounding redundant. lol
Smooshie wrote:

Fair enough. I've no doubt that it's really "that bad," and perhaps it was a bad idea to try and discuss male and female genital mutilation at the same time, but mutilation is mutilation to me.

Well... now I know not to compare the two when it comes to brutality. I'm learning! Very Happy

Well, there are forms of male genital mutilation that are just as fucked up as the female equivalent. They are less common from my understanding though.

I was just pointing out that circumcision, in the conventional western sense, is less severe physically. Of course, many people opposed to FGM will also oppose forced male circumcision.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol wrote:
StateOfBedlam wrote:
lol wrote:
Edit: Crud. In the time it took me to type a response, the forum already addressed the hilarious "but what about the men?" posts.


Aw, you had a good response.

I just hate sounding redundant. lol
Smooshie wrote:

Fair enough. I've no doubt that it's really "that bad," and perhaps it was a bad idea to try and discuss male and female genital mutilation at the same time, but mutilation is mutilation to me.

Well... now I know not to compare the two when it comes to brutality. I'm learning! Very Happy

Well, there are forms of male genital mutilation that are just as fucked up as the female equivalent. They are less common from my understanding though.

I was just pointing out that circumcision, in the conventional western sense, is a little less severe physically. Of course, many people opposed to FGM will also oppose forced male circumcision.


Circumcision always reminds me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw24j0Litlc
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding circumsion: "But, it makes it look friendly!" --Mr. Deity (Brian Dalton)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zhuinden wrote:
Who the hell looks specifically for a genetic oven?


Beats me, dude, I'm not the one who says feminists die alone and childless. But I've known guys who treated women like property.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibian wrote:
Do we care at all that a disproportionate amount of feminist women end up alone and childless?


Yes we all care about the invented statistics in your head. They paint a bleak future of empowered women deciding whether or not to have children and not valuing themselves based off of their utility towards a human pairing, but fortunately the way you describe it as a problem fortunately also has imaginary solutions in your head we should follow
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what Ibian thinks of men who die alone and childless. If he's really so concerned about the "not having children" thing he should start advocating agains males becoming clergymen. Being "alone" and childless is actually part of their job description!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order for the population level to remain stable a fertility rate of about 2.1 is required (for our part of the world). Germany is at 1.4. The number is the same for Europe as a whole, and the white part of America is also below replacement level.

We are missing, in effect, a third of the children we should have. We have been below replacement level for about 30 years now. Over time, as the working age group of people shrinks relative to the older non-working age group (the baby boomers are just now entering retirement age), the amount of tax funds decreases while the burden on the social system increases. What this means is that the state is forced to raise taxes while still having less funds available for each individual for healthcare, welfare checks and whatever other systems are in place.

We are all going to become progressively poorer in the coming years. Women are not exempt. Even if we pretend feminism has nothing to do with this, it doesn't change the fact that a socialistic society requires a minimum amount of babies to function for more than a handful of decades. That's why the low number of children being born is a problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was chock-full of crazy.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually, uh, fun fact, the US fertility rate is 2.06

Ibian has already tipped his hand in that post but it is worth pointing out that he does not actually consider the non-white part of the population to count in all his demographic histrionics

and that whole post there was in service of an argument that women are obligated to sex up their menfolk on demand in order to produce Superior White Master Race Babies to resist the teeming godless mexican/african/muslim hordes, and to deny your menfolk sex on demand is to side with the Third World Swarm, an argument that he is apparently recapitulating here
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShadowCell wrote:
actually, uh, fun fact, the US fertility rate is 2.06

Ibian has already tipped his hand in that post but it is worth pointing out that he does not actually consider the non-white part of the population to count in all his demographic histrionics

and that whole post there was in service of an argument that women are obligated to sex up their menfolk on demand in order to produce Superior White Master Race Babies to resist the teeming godless mexican/african/muslim hordes, and to deny your menfolk sex on demand is to side with the Third World Swarm, an argument that he is apparently recapitulating here


Thanks for doing the research for us/linking to the other thread. "The white part of America is also below replacement level" really made it sound like a non-issue.
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Ibian



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that whites are more productive (Racism!) and blacks and hispanics are more criminal (Racism!), yes the white part is what is worth focusing on. And it is shrinking for the same reason that the European one is.

That's not the real problem in the case of the US, however. The debt is. The debt is so huge that the state can't even pay the interest on the loans, which means the debt will keep increasing endlessly until something snaps. When the welfare checks cease there will likely be an explosion in crime (which is already multiple times higher than in Europe).

The mechanisms in play in Europe and the US are different, but the end result is the same. Lack of funds and too many bills to pay.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you need to take your racist ass somewhere else. I'll entertain a lot of crazy, but you can fuck right off. The minute you start talking about the worth of races everything else you say just becomes background noise to your glaring ignorance.
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