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Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2730

Or because, much like everyone else who decided to pop up and complain about the feminism arc and how the comic JUST ISNT THE SAME MAN. You're a huge douche.
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Leohan · Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 701

Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2730

Leohan · Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 701

And at this moment I stop replying to you. I hope that you learned that if you don't process what you want to react to you'll lose the right to be taking seriously, though.

Cheers!
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Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2730

Where did i give the impression that I cared what your opinion was?
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bitflipper · Joined: 09 Jul 2011 Posts: 728 Location: Here and Now

Y'know, folks, if we spend too much time and effort trying to figure out what to call ourselves, we're not going to change very many of the things we want to see changed.
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Leohan · Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 701

Xanthë · Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 45 Location: Wurundjeri country

Hi Leohan,

yeah, online masculinism is a joke, a large amount of it simply consists of hating on feminists and overt misogyny.

While you can find female supremacists online (go looking for the transphobic radfems, or rather don’t!) they are a small part of feminism and are busy marginalising themselves; looking at what passes for ‘men’s rights advocacy’ or the ‘men’s rights movement’, more often than not it looks like a male supremacist movement. (Don’t want to name sites, but they’re out there in the ‘manosphere’, and they’ve got considerably more engagement going on comparably, than the radfem sites within feminism.)

As you said, ‘the general idea if you are a feminist is that, in an ideal world, gender differences are not a thing’. The underlying biological differences between the group of male-bodied people and female-bodied people are small; there is more diversity within each group, than there are differences between the average of each group. So the usual social construction of genders that is built on top of that usually distributes gender rôles inequitably (for one egregious example, take the ‘men are good at math’ meme; my many women mathematics teachers would like to disagree with that): the only specific gender role that really should have any differentiation is the one determined by biology, i.e. only people with uteruses can bear children, and they should have complete bodily autonomy over that issue. All other gender roles are largely impositions thanks to culture, and while there might be good or inevitable cultural reasons why certain roles end up having gender imbalances, feminists think any person of any gender should be capable of and allowed to perform whatever societal role they wish to play. At the moment though, there are still barriers thrown up in the way of people of various genders to perform certain societal roles, and feminism would generally like all of these barriers to come down: one’s gender shouldn’t be a concern.

Adyon · Joined: 27 May 2012 Posts: 955 Location: Behind my Cintiq

Xanthë · Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 45 Location: Wurundjeri country

Adyon, nice of you to intervene again, except that’s not what happened back on the previous page of the discussion: when people like yourself and Leohan explicitly position yourselves outside the feminist movement entirely by saying things like ‘feminism as a label has been trashed by the mainstream media’ and that instead you’re in favour of identifying under a label that hasn’t been by tarnished by bad association, “equalist”, then you’re giving up your right to have any say over whether feminists are doing the best job of their own advocacy. And that’s what Monkey criticised you for: thinking you can stand outside feminism and still believe you have a say in how it’s run. If you’re not a part of it, you’re not a part of it. If you want to be a part of it, then be prepared to stand up for it too. Criticism from outside ≠ a say in directing others’ advocacy. So thank you, but rebranding feminism isn’t going to happen: witness how many different qualifiers go on the front of feminism (radical feminism, intersectional feminism, etc) and yet it’s still feminism.