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2013/2/27 Brooding Male Hero
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Dogen



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shadow Master wrote:
StateOfBedlam wrote:

There is a profound failure to communicate going on here. By "stereotype that does not actually exist", Shadow seems to have meant "people matching this exaggerated masculine ideal do not exist", not "these notions and expectations of masculinity are not actually present in society". Please correct me if I'm wrong.


That's correct.

Words are very limiting and can often cause confusion.

Unless, of course, the recipient has the Patriarchy Blockers engaged. Then everything always makes perfect sense.

I still don't understand the point of making that statement with regard to a satirical comic, for the following reason:
Dogen wrote:
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but the notion that real people don't live up to an exaggerated idea seems obvious (otherwise it wouldn't be exaggerated), and not the point of satire. If the OP meant to use the term satire, then the exaggeration is done to highlight the behavior and sometimes to make it ridiculous, not to suggest that it exists as depicted. So, to say that people don't exist that embody the exaggerated stereotype is a pointless criticism of satire, unless one makes the further argument that the behavior being exaggerated also doesn't exist (that is, there is no real person to exaggerate).

If a behavior exists that one wants to criticize, then exaggerating it to the point of ridiculousness is a normal way to satirize it.

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Mikewee777



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Manic Pixie Dream Girl"
is a stupid title.
"Co-dependent" would be a more appropriate title.
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Darqcyde



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikewee777 wrote:
"Manic Pixie Dream Girl"
is a stupid title.
"Co-dependent" would be a more appropriate title.

um, no, not even close.

Manic means some who exhibits symptoms of mania: "a state of abnormally elevated or irritable mood, arousal, and/or energy levels"

Pixie is a "a small, pert, or mischievous person."

Dream Girl is the wish fulfillment part, she's an unrealistic idealization of whomever's fantasy.

the whole term, is used thusly:

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In a December 2012 video, AllMovie critic Cammila Collar embraced the term as an effective description of one-dimensional female characters who only seek the happiness of the male protagonist, and who do not deal with any complex issues of their own. The pejorative use of the term, then, is mainly directed at writers who do not give these female characters more to do other than bolster the spirits of their male partners.


Co-dependent isn't this.

The underlined part here is what Tat's referencing and some people don't seem to be getting. It is a weak trope for a reason. Here's a GREAT explanation of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMsrwfbyxMo
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