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bitflipper · Joined: 09 Jul 2011 Posts: 728 Location: Here and Now

Yeah, but, the 2nd Amendment guarantees me the right to own a frikkin' nuke, if I want it!

(Will someone please do us all the favor of shooting this down as the blatantly transparent attempt it is at derailing the discussion away from the validity of the study that Darq first posted? Thanking you in advance, --a self-averred gun-nut.)
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CTrees · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 3619

EDIT: yeah, as I said, I find "LOL fighter jets!" to be an infuriating strawman. To the point that it got me riled up into writing things I regret. It's not why *I* am against civilian disarmament, so I need to stop jumping in and arguing it. Sorry.

As stated earlier, self-/home-defense is my primary concern. I *do* think I should be able to have the best tool for that job, and people trying to limit my ability to defend my family with laws that won't do a damn thing to limit the capabilities of criminals? That's a hard sell.
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ShadowCell · Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 5275 Location: California

seeing as how we have unmanned drones that are specifically designed to obviate the need for jackbooted thugs and in fact designed specifically to kill the exact sort of person who would meet the jackbooted thugs with an AR-15, it's not much of a strawman anymore and more of a missile launched from a robot that you can't see aimed straight at your argument's house.

Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2729

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Monkey Mcdermott · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 2729

1. You really really cannot compare the syrian military to the U.S. military for one. We have 10 times the forces, and far far better tech and infrastructure.

2. Chris Dorner was actually a trained soldier so his ability to thwart people you would classify as better trained civilians only highlights my point. He was only one trained soldier.

3. Again, the battle of athens, Veterans vs better trained civilians, continues to highlight how important the support of the military would be for a citizen's rebellion.

4. Call it a straw man all you want, let me put it another way. The U.S. military has vastly superior firepower to every civilian gun in the states. They have access to air superiority, naval superiority and vehicles with armor that the best civilian gun on its best day would need to get exceedingly lucky to pierce. Add to this that they aren't fighting a war halfway across the globe with supply lines stretched to hell and back. Frankly, i think you overestimate your chances against a swat team with flashbangs and shotguns with that ar 15 anyway.

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ShadowCell · Joined: 03 Aug 2008 Posts: 5275 Location: California

also, it should be known that Dorner evaded all those resources by hiding in a house fifty yards from their command center and not answering the door when they knocked. so unless the Argument From Dorner depends on the US military being just as toweringly incompetent as the LAPD, and unless it depends on people who fight the US military being as aware of its methods and incompetency as Dorner was of the LAPD, it still doesn't work.

Smooshie · Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Posts: 140 Location: NYC

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Kenshiro · Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Posts: 47

Every person should have the right to live within a nation and/or state that most closely coincides with their preferred way of life and/or preferred laws or lack of laws.
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Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Bellingham, WA

That seems like a swell, pie-in-the-sky idea. Not everyone has the means to move to such a state - assuming a state that matches them exists - nor is ideological match the only thing that might bind them to a location. Family, jobs, school, or even health care may make them relatively place-bound. I have a friend who loves WA, but has to move back to OH because she has an extremely rare heart condition and the guy who coined the name and is the leading expert on it happens to practice near her childhood home. So the ideological homology of her ideas and the state is probably secondary to her desire to get proper care.
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Sam · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 8840

Sam · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 8840

alternate answer: this rights proposal isn't worth an inch of land on this planet. in most cases i would say it's the responsibility of an ethical world to prevent most ideologies from having even a square foot of soil.

Dogen · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Bellingham, WA

Amen to that.
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Kenshiro · Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Posts: 47

Wow. How intolerant.
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