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3/9/13 Victim Blaming 4
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:25 am    Post subject: 3/9/13 Victim Blaming 4 Reply with quote


So, I've been wondering...
Is the audience's response to 'Nique warranted... ever?
Also, is what 'Nique's been telling them REALLY that offensive? Seems like their reaction only proves her point. I mean, I can understand being mad at someone for saying "you're a bad person and my suffering is your fault even though you don't know me," but that's not what she's saying (you can be mad even if your reasons for being mad are wrong).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loved the Gabriel reference.

Hoping to see Slick try a Rick Astley... I cant see him giving her up.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, goodness no. 'Nique is Slick's only guaranteed (almost) source of non-hostile female contact. She completes him. Whether the inverse is true, however...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khan wrote:
Hoping to see Slick try a Rick Astley... I cant see him giving her up.


You're clearly forgetting about something!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protip: Never try to have a serious discussion with a Bro smokin a joint Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am reminded of this movie: Annie Hall. The punchline being the woman outgrows the man, who is unable to completely let go of her or accept the fact she is now better than him.

Also this:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends
Not to imply men and women can't be friends, of course, just they normally perceive their relationship differently. Clearly, these two did.

Back to the point,
Slick and 'Nique AREN'T friends anymore, and we know they both wanted something out of their relationship the other did not. That is to say, not only are they not friends anymore, but I don't think they SHOULD be friends anymore. They are two people that were buddies in preschool but now are adults. They've grown apart, and the people they've become aren't compatible.

They aren't friends. Which, if you ask me (which you did not), is sad. To me, this comic is--at its heart--about the relationship between Slick and 'Nique. Other stuff happens, no doubt, but the interplay between them--to me--is the crux of the narrative.

And, it's unraveled.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Magenta wrote:
khan wrote:
Hoping to see Slick try a Rick Astley... I cant see him giving her up.


You're clearly forgetting about something!!!

I like how every comment on that video is the same joke.

YouTube commenters are terrible, terrible people.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lich mong... didn't you post exactly the same sentiments in the other thread too.....

i think you're wrong about them not being friends anymore, i think they're well on their way to that being the case but as it stands they are currently still friends. albeit with a strained, estranged relationship where neither of them are really talking to each other about their thoughts and feelings about their choices in life.

Dogen wrote:
YouTube commenters are terrible, terrible people.


Yeah. They kinda are, I agree.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
Miss Magenta wrote:
khan wrote:
Hoping to see Slick try a Rick Astley... I cant see him giving her up.


You're clearly forgetting about something!!!

I like how every comment on that video is the same joke.

YouTube commenters are terrible, terrible people.

I'm inclined to agree when the video pertains to charged subject matter (eg. religion, politics, feminism, ponies), but not in cases like this. It's the joke that must be made, forever.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lich Mong wrote:
Also this:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends
Not to imply men and women can't be friends, of course, just they normally perceive their relationship differently. Clearly, these two did.

Proof that the Friend Zone is indeed a Circle of Dante's Hell. ;-P
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Magenta wrote:
lich mong... didn't you post exactly the same sentiments in the other thread too.....
Yes, but I've edited it so now I've not.... Wow, that's an awkward sentence.
Miss Magenta wrote:
albeit with a strained, estranged relationship where neither of them are really talking to each other about their thoughts and feelings about their choices in life.
That's not a relationship that falls under my definition of "friendship."

But, maybe my definition is stricter than others. The question--I guess--is whether or not THEY think of themselves as friends. I'm getting the feeling they don't, but I've been wrong before. Currently, they are looking for support about the whole thing from people they DO think of as friends, AKA, not each other.

Maybe they'll forgive each other and make up soon. However, I'm not sure they really can on this issue, since their worldview is so far apart at this point. I don't think Slick can give Monique what she needs, and I don't think Monique wants to give Slick what he wants.

They need to start seeing other people.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we can all agree that one should not hit Deadpool in the head with a sledgehammer. But is not hitting Deadpool with a sledgehammer really that much better of an option? I mean if we're talking about Wolverine (assuming not under the influence of Weapon X) then there's a clearer choice here.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogen wrote:
YouTube commenters are terrible, terrible people.


they're just bitter from getting unexpectedly linked there
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StateOfBedlam wrote:
Dogen wrote:
YouTube commenters are terrible, terrible people.

I'm inclined to agree when the video pertains to charged subject matter (eg. religion, politics, feminism, ponies), but not in cases like this. It's the joke that must be made, forever.

You're one of them, aren't you?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Slick and 'Nique worldviews are that different. I've never seen Slick criticize 'Nique for being a feminist, nor did I see Monique call Slick out for being a dudebro. In my mind, they respect each other's way of life.
Slick's victim blaming was born out of the fact that he sees Monique being tomatoed, and actually worries about her like that. Sure, it's wrong, but 'Nique could have resolved it in a less extreme way.
Their relationship may be strained now, but it's not beyond saving.
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