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Samsally



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could go off it. They don't tell you to go off gradually... at least, I've never gotten a warning.

Symptoms I would look forward to: breaking out a lot, horrible cramps, possible mood swings (but hey lets face it, the seasonal depression totally has that part covered already anyway). I mean it's all a bit of a pain, but nothing too big a deal.

As Finn says, though... it's just -easier- not having one. I'm just afraid if I put off facing it for too long, I'll pass up reasonable opportunities out of apathy.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no harm in stopping birth control pills cold turkey. You should talk to your OB/GYN about an IUD. They're more expensive to start, but they last for years and have either no or dramatically lower hormone levels than the pill. One can be left in for 10 years if you want, and fertility returns as soon as it's removed. And you're still in control of your reproductive tract, rather than relying on condoms/jellies alone.

Like the TV says, consult your doctor.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been taking an over-the-counter testosterone booster (not testosterone, which is a schedule IV drug in Canada) for an on-and-off insomnia problem and general tiredness. From my own experience, I can tell you that it does help with feeling more energetic and stuff, but I didn't notice any change as far as personality and stuff. At like, $12 for a months supply or so of the supplements it doesn't really hurt to try them. As far as pure testosterone goes I'd say try it, but stop right away if you start experiencing changes in behavior or any other negative side effects and tell your doctor. A lot of the negative press you hear about steroids is generally based on people who use high doses over short periods of time, like weightlifters and athletes, as opposed to the generally smaller doses prescribed by physicians.

As far as Samsally is concerned, I know that they make testosterone supplements for women, and that's supposed to help with sexual appetite, but I have no idea if they could be taken while on the pill, or recently after stopping. Again, they are pretty cheap IIRC. And look at the bright side, according to research the pill increases your chances of breast, cervical and liver cancer (albeit decreasing the risk of ovarian or endometrial cancer), so switching to another form of BC (Like the IUD, as Dogen said) might be a net positive change for your current and future health.

Note that I say this without any position of authority or any kind of formal medical knowledge. When in doubt, it's best to talk to a physician or ob/gyn.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With testosterone, one problem with taking too high a dose is the body converts it to estrogen. That's why I boggle at people who do that.
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Dogen



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fritterdonut wrote:
As far as pure testosterone goes I'd say try it, but stop right away if you start experiencing changes in behavior or any other negative side effects and tell your doctor

This may or may not be a bad idea. Depending on what dosage your doctor prescribes you may need to wean off, as taking exogenous testosterone inhibits your endogenous production, so stopping suddenly can cause problems. Also, talk to your doctor (Finn) about the effects of testosterone on fertility. It may not be an issue at the dosage they're considering for you, but it's an important risk to know about.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are IUD's... well... safe? I mean I wouldn't think you'd suggest something that isn't, but I've already had one tumor (and as a result, cancer scare) because a doctor recommended the patch. Apparently that's a side affect nobody bothered to warn me about (or knew about at the time...)

I guess what I'm saying is 'new' kinds of birth control worry me. I know the answer is probably "talk to your doctor" but that didn't really help the first time.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IUD's are actually an older kind of birth control.

In the realm of TMI its the one my roommate prefers precisely because of hormonal related issues with the other ones.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend 2 things: the clichť talk to your doctor (maybe a different one?) and google. Do lots of googling. Several of my aunts tried IUD. One of them suffered from bad side effects, the others were perfectly fine. It really depends on each person so it's difficult to say for sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IUDs got a bad reputation because of one called the Dalkon Shield that caused pelvic inflammatory disease, but that was a problem specific to that one type of IUD (which no one makes anymore). Other types have been on the market as long as 25 years with better safety track records than pills, specifically because of their lower hormonal influence. One is hormone free and uses copper to change the environment in the uterus. The difference there is that hormone-free IUDs won't sop your menstrual cycle, while types that release hormones tend to reduce or eliminate menstruation. Even in the types that use hormones, because they're positioned in the cervix and thus don't need to circulate hormones in the blood they cause something like 50 times lower changes in blood levels of those hormones.

But always feel free to double and triple check health information you get from some asshole on the internet. It's your body, so you have to know what you're doing to/with it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pill definitely reduced my wife's sex drive, and it got worse over time.
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Samsally



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info everyone.

I don't have a lot of extra cash, so I may save up a bit and then ask about a IUD.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met someone who is openly transgendered today. As far as I know I haven't met anyone else that is transgendered, so it was kind of cool getting to talk to them briefly and get to know them a bit. He was happy to share with someone that was comfortable enough to ask questions, but admittedly I still feel far from understanding his perspective. I just feel like any personal experience that I have to try and relate to this is woefully inadequate.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news is that if you don't want to have sex the IUD is superfluous. If you do, it's probably the easiest way to keep from having a baby.

At the risk of dragging this thread wildly off topic, I also feel compelled to state that I have strong religious objections to IUD's, and can't recommend them to anyone.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of my closest "class friends" (you know: you see them everyday, have all the same lectures, get lunch together, chat with while walking to some building across campus for your next shared lecture, study/ do projects with, kinda friend. but not a get drunk and puke in their couch, friday's classes are cancelled so let's go on a four day road trip, live on your couch when they got dumped, kinda friend) was a transgendered man, but for like two and a half years I had no clue. I met him as a guy and never had any reason to think otherwise until it came up in conversation sometime around our last semester. he's just a normal dude, who just didn't happen to be born with a penis.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
Can I pirate this thread for my own question? I'd offer advice to Finn but I don't know anything about taking testosterone, so I don't want to make shit up.

Well I'm gunna pirate it anyway since it's surprisingly similar to something that's been on my mind.

I'm beginning to think that my complete lack of sex drive is mostly because of birth control. I take it because I'm a paranoid freak and also it helps with acne, but there is no denying when I look at my past self, the only time I really actually had a sex drive at all was when I was not on birth control.

.... So. Now I wonder if I should stop taking it or not. Even without, I'd probably still be considered gray ace, it's not like the drive was ever -high- by any stretch. It did make things like dating and stuff a lot easier though.

Bler. I just don't know. Plus it's pricey and money is tight and I really detest physicals and I'm due one before they'll even give me more.


samsally, I went back over your post again because I've never encountered the term gray ace before... I want to thank you, I'm doing a lot of reading right now there's a lot of helpful info out there.
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