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2013-04-22: For The Ladies
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Geareye



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zhuinden wrote:

I never understood the deal with yaoi, and why it appeals to some people, especially females. Even though I could say "double the guys, double the fun", it's not even nearly as close to normal as yuri could get. Due to the nature of the actual intercourse.


Aside from the obvious appeal yaoi can have to homosexual men, it's obvious it can be appealing to women.
I'm assuming you understand how men can like erotic images including only two women yes? Then why is the reverse strange to you?

Also, I advise you to avoid the word "normal", especially when you are talking about desires.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
There is no 18+ rule and almost zero moderation on this forum.

By all means tell us how you think sex works.

*grabs the popcorn*




I saw one of Delakando's posts get deleted just yesterday! Happened pretty quick, too.


@Zhuinden: listen to Valerie

@Geareye: 80-85% of the yaoi fandom is female, and surveys suggest that there are actually more lesbians in the fandom than homosexual males. The stuff targeted at a male audience is called bara
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's always the potential appeal of gendered sexual-role subversion for someone who doesn't particularly relate to the ways that the female partners are often portrayed. Which is, like, everyone I actually know.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:
There's always the potential appeal of gendered sexual-role subversion for someone who doesn't particularly relate to the ways that the female partners are often portrayed. Which is, like, everyone I actually know.


Yeah, I was going to say this.

Especially wrt guys showing emotion during sex. A lot of het porn is the guy being bored-ish or stoically silent nothing more than hostilely aggressive. You don't get a lot of guys looking like they are even all that into it, let alone overcome by the experience the way you get in yaoi. And that goes for the "guy on top" too, they get to be hrm, sensually involved I guess? As opposed to detached.

Not that some of those storylines don't exist, NGL yaoi shares a lot of problematic things with bodice-rippers in general, but at least in that area and a few others it has a general tendency to be better, at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol!

"why are people attracted to porn i'm not attracted to"

"why not just watch normal porn (as defined by me)"

Zhuinden, you better repent before the god of capslock insults sees this.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:
There's always the potential appeal of gendered sexual-role subversion for someone who doesn't particularly relate to the ways that the female partners are often portrayed. Which is, like, everyone I actually know.


H'oh yeah, this is another good point. Heterosexual porn is often not very kind to the ladies. Gay porn, for obvious reasons, will be fair about how men/women are portrayed.

(If the reasons are not as obvious as I think, it's because only one sex is being shown, and that it is being shown as both the "top" and the "bottom," or they'd both be more like "switches" or what-have-you.)

Anyway, uh, I think Zhuiden just had an honest question and that it was worded badly. Have we answered it to your satisfaction, Z?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eehh, yaoi's quite famous for its troubling and heteronormative stereotypes.

bara might be more fair, I dunno.

At the very least it's more:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
eehh, yaoi's quite famous for its troubling and heteronormative stereotypes.


Right. I don't personally think it's super "fair." I think that it subverts gender role expectations by putting men in both roles, but that means that it still has, and relies on, those roles and expectations.

Which is also why I think hetero women make up such a large part of the fan crowd, rather than actual gay men.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly there are very little porn variants that don't have troubling themes. At least with yaoi I'm very aware that it's all fake.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heretical Rants wrote:
Samsally wrote:
There is no 18+ rule and almost zero moderation on this forum.

By all means tell us how you think sex works.

*grabs the popcorn*

I saw one of Delakando's posts get deleted just yesterday! Happened pretty quick, too.

Are you sure they didn't do it themselves? I've done that before, you can get away with it if nobody has posted on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one word that surpasses yaoi, yuri, and every other genre by how it, um "portrays" sexual themes: Dōjinshi.

Yeah, A LOT of it is what I would call 'a scary glimpse into people's personal fantasies'; a lot of them make Mary Sues look awesome.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsally wrote:
Heretical Rants wrote:
Samsally wrote:
There is no 18+ rule and almost zero moderation on this forum.
I saw one of Delakando's posts get deleted just yesterday! Happened pretty quick, too.

Are you sure they didn't do it themselves? I've done that before, you can get away with it if nobody has posted on it.

Yeah, I know.

There were posts after it when it got deleted, I think, otherwise I wouldn't have even taken note of it. I could be wrong, though.

Darqcyde wrote:
I have one word that surpasses yaoi, yuri, and every other genre by how it, um "portrays" sexual themes: Dōjinshi.

Yeah, A LOT of it is what I would call 'a scary glimpse into people's personal fantasies'; a lot of them make Mary Sues look awesome.


doujinshi (self-published) isn't a genre, it's a mode of publication

doujinshi can be yaoi, yuri, or any variety of H taken to pretty much any degree, sure, but also shounen, mystery, fantasy, history, horror, etc etc etc

lots of successful groups started out as doujinshi circles, Clamp, for example
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I know what it is, and I know about CLAMP, but A LOT of what becomes available online I would classify as "in a class of it's own".

Also: what was the content of the deleted post?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

picture of some angry feminists protesting topless

the more I think about it the more I think I was mistaken about there being posts after it when it got deleted
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it would be nice to think delakando had learned to delete his posts, after all the duplicates he's posted.

it would be even nicer if he just stop posting idiocy, of course.
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