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this is why we shouldn't torture
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lily



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

somehow, bush's approval ratings have rebounded to 44%. what the fuck is going on here?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my estimation of the American public just sank a bit lower.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can go lower?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can always go lower.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was rather struck by this little para:

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The RCMP contact, Inspector Michel Cabana, "was under the impression that Mr. Arar would only be detained for a short time," O'Connor's report said. "In his view, Mr. Arar was being held in a country with many of the same values as Canada."


so even canada, the country we most resemble, considers we have horrible values.

well, i guess in the circumstances....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marik wrote:
Here's the collage. I like it because it's funny!

Subject: the trade tower & the Olbermann speech:

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I'm not sure Bush has anything to do with the WTC not being rebuilt. I'm also amazed that he can say that the Democrats haven't done any politicizng of this whole shebang with a straight face.

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Republican Mayor, Republican Governor, Republican Congress, Republican President.

Big hole in the ground.

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Private Property?

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Sorry buddy. Completely erroneous. The site is owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is a governmental body ultimately headed by the governors of New York and New Jersey.

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Don't they need to do something about the trains beneath before they start rebuilding?

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The trains have been running for years now. Since 2002.

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Then at least SOMEONE up in NY got something done around the WTC.

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Great that you think that! But we're sort of talking about the big hole in the ground.

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That's because you're trying to be negative and say it's the Republican's fault.

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ARGH I'm going to HIT something

At least the republicans make the trains run on time!

It's a truly brilliant piece of circular arguing. An impenetrable dedication to not acknowledging anything that would challenge your beliefs.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhm, where are the democrats in all this? Why aren't they screaming from the highest hill that George Bush broke the law, and is askng congress to clean up his mess for him. Why do Republicans have to take GWB to the woodshed? Are they again going to (and I really thought it was impossible this election) snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kame wrote:
Uhm, where are the democrats in all this? Why aren't they screaming from the highest hill that George Bush broke the law, and is askng congress to clean up his mess for him. Why do Republicans have to take GWB to the woodshed? Are they again going to (and I really thought it was impossible this election) snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kame wrote:
Uhm, where are the democrats in all this? Why aren't they screaming from the highest hill that George Bush broke the law, and is askng congress to clean up his mess for him. Why do Republicans have to take GWB to the woodshed? Are they again going to (and I really thought it was impossible this election) snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?


Because at the moment they're letting Republicans carve each other up. If democrats criticize republicans, it's same ol' shrill liberal pansies. But right now there is a lot of conflict within the Republican party and the Dems are content to watch the fallout and not make themselves look weak in the process.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately sitting back on your laurels also means that you don't have a strong presence in the public mind and you look like an ineffective liberal pansy.
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Paulia



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thread title wrote:
this is why we shouldn't torture


Why is it that a Canadian has to be the one getting f*cked over for people to be outraged?

Torture shouldn't be sanctioned for ANYONE no matter WHAT country they are from...

Dammit...

Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulia wrote:
Thread title wrote:
this is why we shouldn't torture


Why is it that a Canadian has to be the one getting f*cked over for people to be outraged?

Torture shouldn't be sanctioned for ANYONE no matter WHAT country they are from...

Dammit...

Crying or Very sad


qft
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death_to_dib



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not so much that hes canadian, as that he is obviously 100% innocent and had his rights shit all over. Up until now the arguement for torture (or at least the ability to consider it an option) has been something on the lines of, we are only interogating terrorists that would do worse to you and your family in a heartbeat if we let them. I guess its kind of the salem witch hunt mentality. Certain people can write this kind of abuse off until they are faced with someone that was undeniably innocent because it makes them feel safe. I think a lot of us have been appalled by these kinds of actions long before this but hes just a very good spokesman for what abuses current tactics can lead to.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I know, and it does drive home the message much harder than say an innocent somalian being imprisoned, even if it shouldn't.
But it's still a stupid title.
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