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[4/29/13] She Misandried Me!
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Rune



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have yet to see nearly as much thoughtful critique of the feminist movement as I've seen self-justifying, confirmation-biased, antagonistic blather against it, and -none- of the movement's actual problems were touched on in this particular strip, let alone have been by the comic at large. Those trying to bash the movement according to this strip's story are importing their own issues here.

Are there things to critique, historically and currently? Yes. Does that negate the movement's continued necessity or the rightness of its overall goals? No. Does the movement have to acknowledge every piece of antagonistic blather against it in order to prove it's sufficiently self-aware of its flaws? No. And a good thing, too. It wouldn't have time for anything else.

I'm not too comfortable with the tears metaphor either, but the fact is, it's a pretty powerful lampshade of typical slander against feminists. (They just want to hurt the mens!) But the Sisterhood is not -out- to make the menfolk cry. The funnel pretty much only shows up when they're crying "misandry!" or otherwise proving the need for the cause. I'm pretty sure the Sisterhood would consider it to be a good thing if there were no more dudebro tears because that would be a considerable drop in world pain a) for the people the dudebros marginalize and objectify, and b) for the dudebros would be all growed up into better, wiser, happier people whose sense of personal value did not depend on other people existing for or pandering to them in some way.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:
I have yet to see nearly as much thoughtful critique of the feminist movement as I've seen self-justifying, confirmation-biased, antagonistic blather against it, and -none- of the movement's actual problems were touched on in this particular strip, let alone have been by the comic at large. Those trying to bash the movement according to this strip's story are importing their own issues here.

Are there things to critique, historically and currently? Yes. Does that negate the movement's continued necessity or the rightness of its overall goals? No. Does the movement have to acknowledge every piece of antagonistic blather against it in order to prove it's sufficiently self-aware of its flaws? No. And a good thing, too. It wouldn't have time for anything else.

I'm not too comfortable with the tears metaphor either, but the fact is, it's a pretty powerful lampshade of typical slander against feminists. (They just want to hurt the mens!) But the Sisterhood is not -out- to make the menfolk cry. The funnel pretty much only shows up when they're crying "misandry!" or otherwise proving the need for the cause. I'm pretty sure the Sisterhood would consider it to be a good thing if there were no more dudebro tears because that would be a considerable drop in world pain a) for the people the dudebros marginalize and objectify, and b) for the dudebros would be all growed up into better, wiser, happier people whose sense of personal value did not depend on other people existing for or pandering to them in some way.


I love you almost as much as I love Stripeypants. And Valerie, because she's cool, but also because that is also my name and us Valeries need to stick together.
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Rune



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm feelin' the love. ^^ Thanks, to you and Valerie, lol
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kjralon wrote:
Rune wrote:
I have yet to see nearly as much thoughtful critique of the feminist movement as I've seen self-justifying, confirmation-biased, antagonistic blather against it, and -none- of the movement's actual problems were touched on in this particular strip, let alone have been by the comic at large. Those trying to bash the movement according to this strip's story are importing their own issues here.

Are there things to critique, historically and currently? Yes. Does that negate the movement's continued necessity or the rightness of its overall goals? No. Does the movement have to acknowledge every piece of antagonistic blather against it in order to prove it's sufficiently self-aware of its flaws? No. And a good thing, too. It wouldn't have time for anything else.

I'm not too comfortable with the tears metaphor either, but the fact is, it's a pretty powerful lampshade of typical slander against feminists. (They just want to hurt the mens!) But the Sisterhood is not -out- to make the menfolk cry. The funnel pretty much only shows up when they're crying "misandry!" or otherwise proving the need for the cause. I'm pretty sure the Sisterhood would consider it to be a good thing if there were no more dudebro tears because that would be a considerable drop in world pain a) for the people the dudebros marginalize and objectify, and b) for the dudebros would be all growed up into better, wiser, happier people whose sense of personal value did not depend on other people existing for or pandering to them in some way.


I love you almost as much as I love Stripeypants. And Valerie, because she's cool, but also because that is also my name and us Valeries need to stick together.


Thank you for the love! <3

And I agree with this, Rune. So much. I have a huge problem with some aspects of feminism (As practiced by some people). I would love to have a good nuanced discussion of them here sometime, but I don't know if that can happen with all the derailment that happens. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:
I have yet to see nearly as much thoughtful critique of the feminist movement as I've seen self-justifying, confirmation-biased, antagonistic blather against it, and -none- of the movement's actual problems were touched on in this particular strip, let alone have been by the comic at large. Those trying to bash the movement according to this strip's story are importing their own issues here.

Are there things to critique, historically and currently? Yes. Does that negate the movement's continued necessity or the rightness of its overall goals? No. Does the movement have to acknowledge every piece of antagonistic blather against it in order to prove it's sufficiently self-aware of its flaws? No. And a good thing, too. It wouldn't have time for anything else.

I'm not too comfortable with the tears metaphor either, but the fact is, it's a pretty powerful lampshade of typical slander against feminists. (They just want to hurt the mens!) But the Sisterhood is not -out- to make the menfolk cry. The funnel pretty much only shows up when they're crying "misandry!" or otherwise proving the need for the cause. I'm pretty sure the Sisterhood would consider it to be a good thing if there were no more dudebro tears because that would be a considerable drop in world pain a) for the people the dudebros marginalize and objectify, and b) for the dudebros would be all growed up into better, wiser, happier people whose sense of personal value did not depend on other people existing for or pandering to them in some way.


^-- this was really great. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wins a sentient toaster!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:

YOU are the reason "why feminism," ya tadpole.


I was drinking tea...
Dude, you owe me a new keyboard. Laughing

I immediately thought of that Geico commercial where the sad therapy patient gets called "ya jackwagon".

From now on, when I read your posts, your voice in my head is going to sound like R Lee Ermey's.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
Technically, it's not misandry at all because Squig isn't a man. He's a pig. It's...miswinedry. Or possibly misboardry.


Considering the etymology the words misandry and misogyny originate in Greek, then perhaps... missusry?
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Rune



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John in Tronna wrote:
Rune wrote:

YOU are the reason "why feminism," ya tadpole.


I was drinking tea...
Dude, you owe me a new keyboard. Laughing


Perhaps you would like a sentient toaster instead? I hear I'm due one.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:

YOU are the reason "why feminism," ya tadpole.


Hey now, that is COMPLETELY unfair.

The only frog/former tadpole whose opinion I know seems to be pretty open to alternate gender roles. And species roles. And whatever-Gonzo-is-roles.

Seriously, lumping Kermit in with that group is totally unfair. =(

/Sorry I have been cooped up in the lab for several hours and the coffee's wearing off.
//Getting a wee bit loopy.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kjralon wrote:
Her gender is being objectified right in front of her in a public place. "Ew" is a mild response.


Well, let's not jump to conclusions. For all she knows, he's looking at gay porn, men being objectified for the perusal of other men (okay, we know that's not what he's looking at, but she doesn't).

Heck, for all she knows, he's looking at pig porn, and where do you even start on that one?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
Kjralon wrote:
Her gender is being objectified right in front of her in a public place. "Ew" is a mild response.


Well, let's not jump to conclusions. For all she knows, he's looking at gay porn, men being objectified for the perusal of other men (okay, we know that's not what he's looking at, but she doesn't).

Heck, for all she knows, he's looking at pig porn, and where do you even start on that one?

I've been wondering about the level of sarcasm here...

I could reach no conclusions.
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Rune



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
Kjralon wrote:
Her gender is being objectified right in front of her in a public place. "Ew" is a mild response.


Well, let's not jump to conclusions. For all she knows, he's looking at gay porn, men being objectified for the perusal of other men (okay, we know that's not what he's looking at, but she doesn't).

Heck, for all she knows, he's looking at pig porn, and where do you even start on that one?


If you can see enough to tell it's porn, you can probably see enough to see what basic type of porn it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John in Tronna wrote:
Ronald wrote:
Technically, it's not misandry at all because Squig isn't a man. He's a pig. It's...miswinedry. Or possibly misboardry.


Considering the etymology the words misandry and misogyny originate in Greek, then perhaps... missusry?


i read this for a second as mis-us-ry, which i really like as a general-purpose term. SHE'S SAYING HURTFUL THINGS ABOUT _ME_! WON'T YOU FEEL _MY_ PAIN??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just gonna leave these here :) ...





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