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[4/30/13] I'm Perfectly Safe
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:


Excellent point, but in a way, the reactions of Anonymous Sinfest Women(c) have been presented to be as much an integral component of the Sinfestiverse as the existence of Devil Booths, talking pigs, and the rest.

For most of the strip's history, women have unfailingly reacted rather blase-ly to Slick's advances, not one of them finding him to be at all threatening -- the law of gravity is applied less consistently in this strip than is such action/reaction -- so the abrupt change, no matter what else you can say about it, is sort of jarring. IMHO.

All that said (but wait, there's more), it seems a bit odd that Tat could decide those were "incorrect" reactions from the women when he created the women. If all of the women had the type of personality (however one might describe such a personality) that let them just shrug Slick's advances away, well, that's part of their characters. It's hardly as if a character needs a name to have definable characterization in this strip.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But can we really take anything Tat says now at face value? I mean, there is such subtle nuance there. Clearly he's saying, "I love stereotypes! STEREOTYPES RULE!"

If you read it the way I do, anyway, which is clearly the most obvious way.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:


http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2359
(remember the Doc Samson shirt?)


i had forgotten this one. i am now going to promote the use of 'creep coddler' as a call-out in arguing with MRAs.

"what are you - some kind of creep coddler?" - it can be a rallying cry!
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MRA: "did you ever consider that maybe that guy who kept talking to you on the bus when you were trying to read and then put his hand on your knee wasn't a creep but was just socially awkward?"

mouse: "what the fuck are you - some kind of creep coddler?"
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
In other words, when Tat was a dudebro, he spoke like a dudebro, thought like a dudebro, and reasoned like a dudebro. Now he is no longer a dudebro, and he has put dudebro crap behind him.

Tat never was a dudebro, regardless of how he may currently see his past self.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, he was a dudebro all right. Not in the most egregious sense, but all those strips of women laughing and treating Slick's sexual harrassment like it was cute were pretty dudebro-y.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my theory: After the incident in Sundays strip Kcils has taken over entirely and Slick is trapped inside with Kcils having access to his memories. Either that or Slick is stuck in the Mirrorverse but that leaves open how Kcils remembers the cookie.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or maybe during waking hours -we- just see whichever side of Slick's struggling psyche is dominant at any given moment, and when he's asleep his devil side, which his consciousness seems to repress in general even though he's not conscious of it, has more free reign to get out and go about it's devilishness. When Slick's consciousness kicks back into gear, his devil side is again more bound to Slick's reality, though it still gets the better of him sometimes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboutwhistles wrote:
Oh, he was a dudebro all right. Not in the most egregious sense, but all those strips of women laughing and treating Slick's sexual harrassment like it was cute were pretty dudebro-y.

No. It was comedy.

Slick, as a character, has for the better part of the comic been a pretender. Someone that either believed himself or wanted others to believe that he was a winner, and for him winning involved women, so he went after exactly that.

Rules of real life say that he should have been perceived as a harasser, perhaps, or not be paid attention or whatever. Comedy states that it's funnier for his pickup lines to work so badly that he ends up in the exact opposite way that he wanted to look.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The themes of the comedy he was making were dudebro themes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Stripeypants said. Something being presented as comedy does not mean it doesn't have an ideology behind it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or that it doesn't rely on certain assumed premises, or contain presuppositions from a particular culture or mode of thought in its narrative.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only in the same way that the creators of Breaking Bad sympathise with the idea of independent drug production.

Tat has themes that he likes to touch upon. I think that much is clear. If he believes that he can produce quality work around them, does he really need to avoid mockery of them and present them completely seriously? Sure, he's been doing more of that lately, but it doesn't trivialize his prior work in the least.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er, that's the problem though. While making fun of Slick, he assumed that even sexual harassment would be met with scarcely any discomfort, just annoyance. That's the mindset he was in.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboutwhistles wrote:
Er, that's the problem though. While making fun of Slick, he assumed that even sexual harassment would be met with scarcely any discomfort, just annoyance. That's the mindset he was in.

I think that you are assuming a lot, here. The way I see it, the women in there were both witty and plain aware of the fact that Slick wasn't threatening.

And that worked in favour of the comedic value, really. Tat has a character that he wants to act in a determinate way, and having him ignored or having the woman snark her way out of the situation is funnier than pepper-spray. The audience gets the message that it's not the right approach and the joke remains intact.
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