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Yoga and why I feel Sinfest s telling me to get the hell out
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aboutwhistles



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On balance, it's better than nothing.
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Alpha Aim



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh, now I finally get it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you get?
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Alpha Aim



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The forum. I had a vague idea of what this place was to people, but I wasn't really sure. If it weren't for this thread, I would not have known.
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Rune



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh. Well, you get it better than me, then. I got no clue. I'm just sticking around because people give me cookies an' toasters and stuff.
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Strawberrycocoa



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboutwhistles wrote:
Wait, you had an awkward experience with a yoga teacher, ONCE, FOUR YEARS AGO, and you came here to complain about /discrimination against men/? You even admit that was one of the only times that you've felt not welcomed anywhere. Wow. I'm done. Sinfest is a safe space for feminists, feminist allies, and men who aren't dickbags. If you think that critiquing /masculinity/, and the understandable distrust that some of us have for random men on the street, is misandrist, then you need to back the fuck up and get some perspective. You felt uncomfortable in a yoga class once? I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET EVERY DAY. Jesus.


I never said anything was misandrist.

I said that between the "patriarchal masculine power culture degrades and subjugates women" themes of the strips centering on the Devil and his legions and the "Never trust men" attitudes made by Xanthe and some of the Sisterhood, I feel like the message being delivered is that Men are the problem as much as Patriarchy. I feel like I am being made out to be one of the Bad Guys even though I do everything in my power to be respectful understanding and considerate.

I only shared the yoga story because it popped in my mind and felt like a relevant anecdote. I minded my own business, didn't bother anyone, and got singled out in front of the entire class for being The Different One as a result. That's all I wanted to convey. I'd apologize for offending you, except I already did that.

I don't pretend to understand the depth of what you've gone through but it sounds really bad. I'm sorry you've suffered.
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aboutwhistles



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xanthe doesn't trust Slick because as far as she knows, he abandoned her to an angry mob after claiming to be her ally. Patriarchal culture does degrade women. Men are the number one threat to women's health and safety. The number one threat for men, as Louis ck pointed out, is heart disease. So yes, it is reasonable for women not to trust men. Individual men harm individual women on a daily basis. As a man you have to overcome that barrier of suspicion and mistrust based on your individual actions, because I would rather dismiss a well intentioned man based on my creep filter than get stalked or raped or murdered or abused. Sorry if that's uncomfortable for you, but my safety comes before your feelings.

Tl; dr YES, SOME INDIVIDUAL MEN ARE THE PROBLEM.
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Strawberrycocoa



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboutwhistles wrote:
So yes, it is reasonable for women not to trust men. Individual men harm individual women on a daily basis. As a man you have to overcome that barrier of suspicion and mistrust based on your individual actions, because I would rather dismiss a well intentioned man based on my creep filter than get stalked or raped or murdered or abused. Sorry if that's uncomfortable for you, but my safety comes before your feelings.


I don't really like being hypotehtically lumped in with people like you've described when I have never and would never do those things. I don't like being an object of fear or mistrust just because I have a penis.

That being said, I don't have a problem or issue with your reasons. Sadly I could probably pick up any newspaper in any city in the country, maybe even the world, and find an article which proves you right. :/
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, think about how many of _us_ don't like being lumped in with categorizations that we don't like - like the assumptions that (if we are women), we are unable to understand math/science, hate all men, are sluts who while sleep with anything male, and on and on and on.

see, that what's the whole 'patriarchy' thing is about - it's about insisting that men and women are supposed to fit into certain slots, behave in certain ways, whether they like it or not. that's what the whole feminism thing is about - it's about insisting that no, people should be evaluated as individuals and not stereotypes.

so now that you understand that, maybe you can take a look at the patriarchy strips with a different eye?


Monkey Mcdermott wrote:

Sinfest isn't a safe space for anyone, it just happens to be more welcoming to the feminist/feminist ally crowd currently. No one is safe.

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bleh. don't know why i suddenly can't copy images - use the link.
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Rune



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strawberrycocoa wrote:
aboutwhistles wrote:
So yes, it is reasonable for women not to trust men. Individual men harm individual women on a daily basis. As a man you have to overcome that barrier of suspicion and mistrust based on your individual actions, because I would rather dismiss a well intentioned man based on my creep filter than get stalked or raped or murdered or abused. Sorry if that's uncomfortable for you, but my safety comes before your feelings.


I don't really like being hypotehtically lumped in with people like you've described when I have never and would never do those things. I don't like being an object of fear or mistrust just because I have a penis.

That being said, I don't have a problem or issue with your reasons. Sadly I could probably pick up any newspaper in any city in the country, maybe even the world, and find an article which proves you right. :/


All the more reason to actively oppose the culture that allows that state of affairs to continue.

In short, put the blame and the censure where it belongs: on the dickwads who give women real reason to be afraid.
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Strawberrycocoa



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
that's what the whole feminism thing is about - it's about insisting that no, people should be evaluated as individuals and not stereotypes.


I am one hundred percent behind this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In short, put the blame and the censure where it belongs: on the dickwads who give women real reason to be afraid.


THIS.
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Strawberrycocoa



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboutwhistles wrote:
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In short, put the blame and the censure where it belongs: on the dickwads who give women real reason to be afraid.


THIS.


Agreed.
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Dennis J. Squidbunny



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused by engaging in attention seeking behavior to draw attention to the fact one time you were paid attention too?
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 years from now, Strawberrycocoa will be posting a similar tale in another webcomic forum. The webcomic in question, called Flapjack or Pita, will be getting a lot of attention due to accusations of being a 'Machine Racist.' Flapjacks's main character, who has been involutarily unplugged from the Worldwide Neural Network for too much consumption of bestial pornography, chooses instead to get fat, write poetry, and eat greasy mixes of dandelions and undercooked fried chicken instead of plugging into the Ultimate Entertainment Server 24/8 and running on the power-producing treadmill at the required 4-6 PM time. Longtime readers of the comic cry out that now all it is is boring stupid TLDR faggot shit about the imaginary meaning of life unbound from technology.

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So, a few years ago, I decide to join a webcomic forum class. I was looking for a place to talk with other people in the digital spear (sp?)and webcomics looked fun. I went to the website and made a free profile.

Now at this point, a little bit about me. I am a plugged-in, ultratech, high-resolution male avatar. I was using time loops to go ten years back in the past so I could enjoy samples of Life Before Connection. Everyone else in the forum was from that time period, including the artist, except me.

Didn't bother me, though. I went through the forum, tried to copy the other poster's opinions, got some feedback after being told to go fuck myself and even later got complimented by some girls on my ability to completely change my opinions to look like I'd been completely in their time frame all along. Pretty good for a first-timer (I am pedantic but used to get tips on social skills from the PUA message boards so I've retained a little bit of the flexibility).

But I never went back to that forum after that first thread. Because at the end of the thread, I got trolled like a bitch.

I don't know for sure what their intent or reasoning behind this was, and maybe I was just being over-sensitive at the time, but being singled out in front of the entire forum like that for being the different one, having my shit-thought called out openly and having a big deal made about it in front of everyone didn't feel welcoming. It felt exclusionary. I felt very strongly like the underlaying message was, "We don't want you here and you need to leave." But in a way that didn't sound like it on the surface.

I've been ghosting here for a couple weeks now and I know this issue comes up a lot, so I apologize to people who are sick of seeing it. But over the past month or so, I've started to feel like Flapjack or Pita is trying to tell me the same coded message. I feel like I am being told to leave, that my presence is no longer welcome as a reader.

I've been reading Flapjack or Pita for years now and I follow it on a daily basis. But after this past Production Day's strip, the demechanizing (on all counts) Machine Cult strip, I feel like a message of "We don't want your kind here" is finally becoming apparent to me.

Maybe I'm wrong. I dunno.
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