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2013-05-02: Porn Sex
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Cactuar



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dec7m2 wrote:
Man i find that tip toeing around woman so annoying, you want to be treated equal but when i treat you like a guy; you say " i am a woman you should treat me better then this", this panel makes me so rage strip makes me frustrated cause when you open up to people and get rejected it makes it hard for the next time you want to say something

*Sigh, i doubt the world will ever treat genders the same cause the fact is we are not the same physically and mentally


It's really sad that you think "take a person's individual feelings into account" is some kind of special treatment that means you are "tiptoeing around" someone.

But since you seem to have some fucked up gender essentialist views I guess it's not totally surprising either.
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Tank



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dec7m2 wrote:
Man i find that tip toeing around woman so annoying, you want to be treated equal but when i treat you like a guy; you say " i am a woman you should treat me better then this", this panel makes me so rage strip makes me frustrated cause when you open up to people and get rejected it makes it hard for the next time you want to say something

*Sigh, i doubt the world will ever treat genders the same cause the fact is we are not the same physically and mentally


I think this is a terrible assertion to make. The American Psychological Association takes the position that there is virtually no cognitive difference between males and females. Gender has no observable impact upon personality, verbal and nonverbal communication, aggression, leadership, self-esteem, moral reasoning or motor behaviors.

Mentally, men and women are virtually identical.
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Vancore



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arkhron wrote:
The face of Ms Liberty at panel 3. Priceless.


Seconded

Overlooking the porn watching part, that is defiantly not a reasonable position to have sex in, or attempt. The sex actor's can't fool Liberty.
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Yinello



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenrae wrote:
Yinello wrote:
I'm not against porn at all. But Sam is a notorious cheating douchebag who doesn't consider Liberty's feelings and proceeds to show her painful porn. No win points there.


While I've written my tantrum on this particular entry, it's more of an answer to the general drift in this comic (and something I see on the real world). You're right on today's strip, I should have been more clear.


I admit that sometimes Tat's strips do come over as anti-porn. Personally I'm hoping he'll show a bit more comics that are anti-non-consent (as in, people who are force people into porn need to gfto this world).
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dec7m2 wrote:
Man i find that tip toeing around woman so annoying, you want to be treated equal but when i treat you like a guy; you say " i am a woman you should treat me better then this", this panel makes me so rage strip makes me frustrated cause when you open up to people and get rejected it makes it hard for the next time you want to say something

*Sigh, i doubt the world will ever treat genders the same cause the fact is we are not the same physically and mentally


If you actually considered women to be people you dingdongdiddlydick then you wouldn't treat them like men, you would treat them like they want to be treated, as with each and every individual.

If you don't want to be rejected maybe you should actually start reading up on feminism debates in the forum instead of spouting your so-called 'facts'.
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Motorcycle



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever happened to just asking & the answer being no & that the end of it? No throwing out of the house, no sleeping on couch or anything. Now granted, before one asks you SHOULD know what your partner is comfortable doing or experimenting with. Which most true loving couples do. Sam however is an exception, while I believe he does love Liberty he has shown to be profoundly stupid. Not realizing the consequences of his actions, cheating on Liberty, & simply not talking to her when she tries to talk with him. He only seems to get them message when it's pretty much a shot to the nuts.

But yeah most porn is pretty degrading. As mentioned there is some that is not but since it's in the minority it is hard to find some most people don't bother to look for it. As in trying to find new positions there are many books & even some videos demonstrating the hows & even inform viewers how to make them more comfortable for all involved. The very second either partner decides is uncomfortable with idea of anymore & wants to stop that is what should happen immediately. & it's not always the women that decide this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the little "I'M #1" picture, in a dark room, hanging over the couch where Sam is sleeping. It's like the little thought you tell yourself to keep from realizing, in paralytic horror, what a horrible shitbag you are and have always been.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
Kenrae wrote:
Yinello wrote:
I'm not against porn at all. But Sam is a notorious cheating douchebag who doesn't consider Liberty's feelings and proceeds to show her painful porn. No win points there.


While I've written my tantrum on this particular entry, it's more of an answer to the general drift in this comic (and something I see on the real world). You're right on today's strip, I should have been more clear.


I admit that sometimes Tat's strips do come over as anti-porn. Personally I'm hoping he'll show a bit more comics that are anti-non-consent (as in, people who are force people into porn need to gfto this world).


Come over as? It's pretty blatant actually. And given the laundry list of problematic things associated with the industry most of the arguments for the material are pretty specious and boil down to "but I wanna" or "there's this tiny minority of porn that if you look for a long time might not be quite as problematic socially".
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Yinello wrote:
Kenrae wrote:
Yinello wrote:
I'm not against porn at all. But Sam is a notorious cheating douchebag who doesn't consider Liberty's feelings and proceeds to show her painful porn. No win points there.


While I've written my tantrum on this particular entry, it's more of an answer to the general drift in this comic (and something I see on the real world). You're right on today's strip, I should have been more clear.


I admit that sometimes Tat's strips do come over as anti-porn. Personally I'm hoping he'll show a bit more comics that are anti-non-consent (as in, people who are force people into porn need to gfto this world).


Come over as? It's pretty blatant actually. And given the laundry list of problematic things associated with the industry most of the arguments for the material are pretty specious and boil down to "but I wanna" or "there's this tiny minority of porn that if you look for a long time might not be quite as problematic socially".


This. <3 A thousand times this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reader1 wrote:
Leohan wrote:
...I get it now. You are actively looking forward to be banned in the hope that Tat will make one of his short yet always memorable appearances.


tat has made past appearances?

Yes. And they have always been wonderful.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcycle wrote:

But yeah most porn is pretty degrading. As mentioned there is some that is not but since it's in the minority it is hard to find some most people don't bother to look for it.


That's simply not true. If you want degrading porn you must look for it, not the other way around.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that just goes to show how normalized the degradation in mainstream porn is.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cactuar wrote:
Kung Fu Jesus wrote:


You see, I have very strong feelings against abuse, but I get the feeling that the BDSM community gets thrown in the proverbial 'abuse culture heap' every time the subject comes up and that makes me sad.


I'm kind of torn on that subject tbh. On the one hand the BDSM community has it's own, internal problems that need to be addressed, internally, but on the other hand, I'm super leery of outside discussion about "problems with the BDSM community" because you're totally right that it's basically impossible to have a nuanced discussion about anything BDSM withing "mainstream" culture because negative kneejerk reaction that it tends to automatically get. I mean, the mainstream culture basically thinks the problem with BDSM is BDSM. And other than being wrong, that just...super unhelpful.


Well, isn't BDSM technically about attributing causing pain and feeling pain with a sexual connotation? There's all sorts of weird crap there, starting from slapping hurting whipping biting choking and whatever else people can figure out. Even with the slogan "But I trust my partner and this is something I enjoy", that's just weird. Why would you WANT to be hurt? And start bleeding? And be in pain? And be borderline passing out due to asphyxiation? That's just ridiculous.


Can someone please prove me wrong about this? I might be wrong, but BDSM seems to be all about torture and pain, disguising itself as the "manifestation of ultimate trust between partners in sexuality".
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reader1 wrote:
Rune wrote:
Any man who played that card in my life wouldn't just be on the couch. He'd be out of the house.


And youd be completely justified(unless he owned the house), but we're talking about a comic strip character. he's roughly defined and has a limited past. Hes meant to be a caricature, not an accurate portrait, to be critiqued like a fully cognizant human being with a set and knowable ethos.... plus i never said what he did was "adorable," shoes can be expensive Smile


My out-of-the-house comment wasn't directed at Sam.

It was directed at you, and your ridiculous puppy-dog reasoning. Any dude who plays the, "I can't help it, I'm just a dog," argument card has no place in my life. And even if his name was on the deed or the lease, you can be darn sure I'd hold to and fight for my right to what's mine of whatever life we had. Women have rights involving the marital home in most states, even if they don't hold the purse strings.

Stop making idiotic analogies that equate a gross disregard of a woman's self with a dog ruining a pair of shoes. If that's the way you think, maybe you should take three steps back and do some careful re-evaluation of how you're actually treating the women in your life.
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