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2013-05-04: Zero Dark Liberty
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Rothide



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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
If you had told me this comic would lead to a pair of fucking idiots roleplaying torturing info out of Bin Laden to stop 9/11, I probably would have said "Is Rothide one of them? It's Rothide isn't it."

Jesus what an awful fucking thread.


So fucking what, I had a viewpoint, and I found I was wrong and learned something from it, isn't that the point of arguments?!
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

o shit I'm sorry man plz don't hypothetically torture me!
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we keep in mind Sam is looking at torture PORN and not at torturing someone for the so-called wellbeing of others.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VERE IZ ZEE MEE-CROFEELM
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you know what, this whole frigging shindig kinda goes into my viewpoint on these comics. I was steadfast in my opinion until someone came and told me WHY my opinion was wrong logically and openly, not just because someone said it was morally wrong. Yes maybe it shouldn't have to be said, but in my case it did.

So Liberty, even though you shouldn't have to explain to him why what he is doing is bad, EXPLAIN IT TO SAM. You might be able to change his viewpoint, and if not, DUMP HIM.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
Can we keep in mind Sam is looking at torture PORN and not at torturing someone for the so-called wellbeing of others.

He's metaphorically justifying torture.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She explained it to him already. See early pages.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
VERE IZ ZEE MEE-CROFEELM


Now, some sexy spy seduction scenarios could be fun, provided, y'know, they were all non-exploitative and non-violent...
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leohan wrote:
Yinello wrote:
Can we keep in mind Sam is looking at torture PORN and not at torturing someone for the so-called wellbeing of others.

He's metaphorically justifying torture.


Yeah I know but especially in context of the comic it's just so wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
She explained it to him already. See early pages.


We didn't see text or what she was saying, yes it might have been her telling him plainly, but it also might just be her again saying "You just need to stop watching this stuff." Or like when he apologized "So your going to stop watching porn and the like". I do believe he doesn't use text so that he won't technically offend anyone while doing a hot button issue, he'll leave that to the people in forums, and most likely I would be the one doing it.

I mean I know I have wild views, but give me good arguments and good explanations and I'll agree with you.

NOTE: Unless its a view I hold vehemently.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the absolute simplest context she would say: "Your porn makes me feel bad." And that should be more than enough for Sam to AT LEAST reconsider what he's doing. But he's not. So he's a jerk and she should dump him.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
In the absolute simplest context she would say: "Your porn makes me feel bad." And that should be more than enough for Sam to AT LEAST reconsider what he's doing. But he's not. So he's a jerk and she should dump him.


What if he went "Well I'm doing this because your not having sex with me and it's making me feel bad".

Sigh, that's most likely somehow different... expecting a rebuttal, and please forgive my ignorance.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rothide wrote:
Yinello wrote:
In the absolute simplest context she would say: "Your porn makes me feel bad." And that should be more than enough for Sam to AT LEAST reconsider what he's doing. But he's not. So he's a jerk and she should dump him.


What if he went "Well I'm doing this because your not having sex with me and it's making me feel bad".

Sigh, that's most likely somehow different... expecting a rebuttal, and please forgive my ignorance.


Here's a fun game, how about you think about how the two might be different and post the rebuttal, yourself?
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:
Rothide wrote:
Yinello wrote:
In the absolute simplest context she would say: "Your porn makes me feel bad." And that should be more than enough for Sam to AT LEAST reconsider what he's doing. But he's not. So he's a jerk and she should dump him.


What if he went "Well I'm doing this because your not having sex with me and it's making me feel bad".

Sigh, that's most likely somehow different... expecting a rebuttal, and please forgive my ignorance.


Here's a fun game, how about you think about how the two might be different and post the rebuttal, yourself?


I guess that's because he wants her to do something with her body, while she just wants him to give up something he likes, but she is against.

So I guess if he loved her he should give up everything he likes to do if she is against it. Would she have to do the same though?
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rothide wrote:
Rune wrote:
Rothide wrote:
Yinello wrote:
In the absolute simplest context she would say: "Your porn makes me feel bad." And that should be more than enough for Sam to AT LEAST reconsider what he's doing. But he's not. So he's a jerk and she should dump him.


What if he went "Well I'm doing this because your not having sex with me and it's making me feel bad".

Sigh, that's most likely somehow different... expecting a rebuttal, and please forgive my ignorance.


Here's a fun game, how about you think about how the two might be different and post the rebuttal, yourself?


I guess that's because he wants her to do something with her body, while she just wants him to give up something he likes, but she is against.

So I guess if he loved her he should give up everything he likes to do if she is against it. Would she have to do the same though?


This sort of discussion is what I raised up at page 3, and Magenta's answer is worth taking into consideration.
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