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2013-05-04: Zero Dark Liberty
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Zhuinden



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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly though,
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4281



I'm surprised that Liberty is so offended about him watching porn. It's not like she tried to mend this part of their relation. She's somewhat acting like, "you can't have your cake, and you can't bake one". As much as I'd like to sympathize with her, I just can't anymore. She's the one not even trying to give Sam what he wants, she just demands him to stop getting it elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zhuinden wrote:
I'm surprised that Liberty is so offended about him watching porn. It's not like she tried to mend this part of their relation. She's somewhat acting like, "you can't have your cake, and you can't bake one". As much as I'd like to sympathize with her, I just can't anymore. She's the one not even trying to give Sam what he wants, she just demands him to stop getting it elsewhere.


*cough*

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LIBERTY ALREADY TALKED TO SAM ABOUT THIS FOR FUCKS SAKE. HE BRUSHED IT OFF AND STORMED OFF. HE DUG A BIGGER HOLE, THEN HE WENT RIGHT BACK TO EXPLOITING OTHER COUNTRIES.

WHAT HE LIKES IS EXPLOITATION. LIBERTY DOES NOT. SAM IS SPENDING MORE AND MORE TIME WATCHING THIS STUFF, AND HE'S BEEN SAYING STRAIGHT OUT THESE THINGS SHE ABHORS ARE THINGS HE WANTS TO DO WITH HER - DESPITE HOW DISTURBING SHE FINDS THESE THINGS.

LET'S ALSO REMEMBER SAM LIKES TO GO RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER OTHERS TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. SHE HAS SEEN THIS HAPPEN. ON SOME LEVEL SHE MAY BE CONCERNED WHETHER HE WILL STOP ASKING FOR HER INTEREST AND CONSENT.
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Tekii



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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see more shitty guys yet again thinking watching exploitative porn is totally justified because someone's partner said no once and so its totally on them and they can't complain about the behaviour of their shitty partner ever because they didn't put out like they were supposed to.

And even if Sam was single the stuff he is watching would still be wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't we discuss this like yesterday?
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as much as I disapprove of Sam's utterly disrespectful behavior, and his "I'm a man, I do whatever I want" excuse, he's still being told about what bothers Liberty, and not what she's willing to offer in return. Obviously, if Sam wasn't such a selfish prick, he'd probably at least consider the option instead of yelling at her, but I still think Liberty doesn't try to fulfill anything Sam would want, she just demands him not to do anything she doesn't like.

I mean, what else would Sam be supposed to do, apart from "find someone else who can satisfy what he wants"?

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Nice to see more shitty guys yet again thinking watching exploitative porn is totally justified because someone's partner said no once and so its totally on them and they can't complain about the behaviour of their shitty partner ever because they didn't put out like they were supposed to.

And even if Sam was single the stuff he is watching would still be wrong.

For one, it doesn't look like this is the first time, for two, yes, I don't like that he went from zero to torture porn either. But as for the general concept of "watching porn" because she said no, seems somewhat justified.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
Didn't we discuss this like yesterday?


We did. Or rather, words were said and ignored. Which I guess says a lot about why some are defending Sam so contortedly.
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Zhuinden



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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
Yinello wrote:
Didn't we discuss this like yesterday?


We did. Or rather, words were said and ignored. Which I guess says a lot about why some are defending Sam so contortedly.


Brb, I missed out on yesterday's thread Rolling Eyes


All I'm saying is that not all of this is on Sam. I'm not saying he's not being a total d*ck about it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does she have to fucking bargain to get Sam to stop doing one thing that utterly revolts her?

If I spent my life torturing unicorns and my partner asked me to stop because it's hurting him, I would fucking stop because I love my partner. Oh shit doing something without asking something in return in a relationship? Leik no wai!

This isn't like some stupid relation fight where you'd have to compromise because we might not like the color of the curtains. This is an issue which really bothers Liberty, serious enough that she shouldn't have to find a middle ground. Liberty is in no possibly way inclined to help Sam find better porn or some kind of other fucking release. Sam isn't so fucking helpless that he needs to watch torture porn or else.

For fucks sake, how fucked up does it sound to say "Okay, I'll stop doing the thing that makes you cry at night and shudder in horror if I get something in return."

TLDR SAM IS A FUCKING DOUCHEBAG DTMFA
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zhuinden wrote:
I mean, what else would Sam be supposed to do, apart from "find someone else who can satisfy what he wants"?


need i remind you that sam has actually legitimately cheated on liberty in the past, because... he has.

theres also the fact he's been straight-up told before that he's done a lot of shitty things, has tried to excuse them, got depressed because he couldn't, but never fucking learned from it.

man, i fucking love sam, and i love his relationship with liberty even though as it stands it is KIND OF UNHEALTHY; but sam is so far in the wrong here it's fucking ridiculous. lib doesn't have to really do anything sam wants her to do if she doesnt want to, she doesn't really need to explain why either, and it's not her job to point out WHY EXACTLY THIS SHIT IS DISGUSTING AND IT MAKES HER UNCOMFORTABLE. SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, HE'S A GROWN MAN AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF A HUGE MORON WITH HIS HEAD SHOVED UP SO FAR UP HIS ASS HE CAN'T THINK STRAIGHT, HE'S STILL A GROWN MAN WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

i think sam definitely can learn from this experience and grow the fuck up and realize what a huge jackass he's being - he is younger in sinfest than the actual uncle sam is so there is definitely a lot of room for him to grow - but that's not exactly going to change the fact that RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, he is a huge jackass who is kind of exploiting others with his imperialistic torture porn, and has some high sense of entitlement that doesn't really understand why the things he is doing is wrong. it's not lib's job to point all of this out to him!!!! it shouldn't be ANYONE'S job to point it out to him!!!! she shouldn't have to bend over backwards to any one of his whims if she doesn't want to! she shouldn't have to compromise in a matter like this!!!! she has every right to be uncomfortable or upset with any aspect of the whole situation!!!! :) :) :)
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Zhuinden



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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Magenta wrote:
*snip*


Well THAT changes perspective, thanks for the insight Wink
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valerie wrote:
It's odd how it never seems to occur to men that they could try asking a woman what she wants.

(In the interest of fairness, that also happens way too often the other way around.)
Far too often if you do what she'll tell you isn't what she wants but what she thinks you want her to want.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Uncle Sam paying for all this porn, I have a theory as to how we got this massive federal debt.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW some people are missing that part of the deconstruct in this comic has to do with the debate that arose about Zero Dark Thirty as to whether depending on your POV you could view it as justifying torture/enhanced interrogation. (Basically Tat is telling us he's in the camp that says ZDT reinforces the wrong message)

Zhuinden wrote:
I mean, what else would Sam be supposed to do, apart from "find someone else who can satisfy what he wants"?

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And even if Sam was single the stuff he is watching would still be wrong.

For one, it doesn't look like this is the first time, for two, yes, I don't like that he went from zero to torture porn either. But as for the general concept of "watching porn" because she said no, seems somewhat justified.
Well, but Lib like many a regular wife wants not just physical but also moral and emotional fidelity. She has told him it troubles her. And what Sam's supposed to do is what a lot of us do when something we like happens to be hurtful to those we care about, or flat out immoral: not do it, do without, find something ELSE to amuse ourselves with that does not cause the pain.
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Rune



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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss M, Valerie, shadowcell, thanks for being sane. I was about ready to rage-bomb this thread after the first two pages.

People are the worst sometimes. How the hell could anyone bend their brains into the kind of pretzels it takes to see ANY of this as Lib's fault?
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