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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, true. I'll be nicer. But I am goode at sticking e's on the end of words.

I dare you to go a whole thread with genderless pronouns.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently some kids in a school somewhere are using yo as a genderless pronoun. I like it. 'Let's go over to Yo's house.' 'I don't really like Yo's cat.' 'Yo's the best.'
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link about that:

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/grammar-yo-pronoun.aspx


I like 'they' for ease of use, since the people I interact with will use it if they don't know which pronoun to use - but if yo could catch on with the public at large, I would be delighted, since that word doesn't have any other dedicated meaning in English (That I know of.)
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read about that, too. The article gave the impression that there are several high placed linguists crying a little bit because they'd spent years trying to get genderless pronouns to exist, then some kids came along and did it just because.

I'm pretty fond of the idea. I hope yo catches on. (ahahaha, that last sentence makes me giggle because I'm so bad at language but I made a language funny anyway, I'm sure it's terrible.)
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of like zhe and zher, but hey, whatever catches on, great.

Though, I'm just enough of a hobbyist linguist to prefer something other than "they, their" (though I use them for convenience, too,) so as not to confuse forms.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
True, true. I'll be nicer. But I am goode at sticking e's on the end of words.

I dare you to go a whole thread with genderless pronouns.


You're on. Razz

I prefer the "zie" set, I think, but I often do slip into singular "they." A lot of people recognize that one more easily than "zie." It bothers me because it's grammatically incorrect (I'm a bit of an English nerd), but the point of communication is to understand each other.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's pretty much the only reason I use "they" - it's easy to get the point across to any listener without having to explain your genderless pronoun first. "Yo" works for me, too (I kinda really like it), but I'm lazy enough to let the language figure itself out, as long as I have an option.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe its just the region I live in but 'yo' is a common form of greeting here which would make it becoming a gender-less pronoun a bit confusing. Though in those sentences it just seems to be shorthand for your/you?
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is a really great example of why I don't come to the comics subforum anymore.

I mean jesus fuck I don't even.

Devil's questionable parenting ethics -> Genderless pronouns

fucking logic yo'
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was alogical progression, amd if Shadow Master comes back with mre nonsense, we'll get ack to debunking the notion that neglect is awesome.

Although I don't see why the other subforums are any better. Many a thread rambles into different topics, and the comics subforum s hardly alone in this.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
It was alogical progression, amd if Shadow Master comes back with mre nonsense, we'll get ack to debunking the notion that neglect is awesome.

Although I don't see why the other subforums are any better. Many a thread rambles into different topics, and the comics subforum s hardly alone in this.


I like to think of it as bonus thought adventures. Whee!
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

forced genderless pronoun movements like 'zhe' and 'zher/zheir' can lick my non-gender-specific taint.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
forced genderless pronoun movements like 'zhe' and 'zher/zheir' can lick my non-gender-specific taint.


Meh, I'm not bothered. Forced, mindful, intentional, whatever. I think it sounds less dorky than other alternatives, and that's about all it boils down to for me. New words get coined all the time, for all kinds of reasons. We'll parrot things along for a lot of really weird and often arbitrary reasons. We call a game console a Wii, because someone had enough money and clout to make it stick. Whatever.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes! this is the story-arc I am most interested in seeing developed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rune wrote:
I kind of like zhe and zher, but hey, whatever catches on, great.

Though, I'm just enough of a hobbyist linguist to prefer something other than "they, their" (though I use them for convenience, too,) so as not to confuse forms.


despite that many grammarians consider it improper; the gender-neutral singular form use of they and their has been in use for hundreds of years
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