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Rune
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 Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| fritterdonut wrote: | | Rune wrote: | I think I getcha.
I still get the impression, though, that Libertarianism needs to be mixed heavilly with other schools of thought in order to actually function. |
A relatively accurate idea, in my opinion.
Libertarianism, arguably, could be seen as a concept, rather than a working political doctrine. Other doctrines may make use of it, but Libertarianism itself, in it's purest form, could be seen as simply holding individual freedom as the penultimate "good". |
I think that's where we're having a disconnect, then, because, in American discourse at least, it gets treated very much as a political doctrine in and of itself, and the WAY it gets twisted into a political doctrine is . . . not flattering.
'MURICA! |
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Adyon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Well really, in America everything simply gets "labeled" into one giant thing. Libertarians, Feminists, Christians, Democrats, Tea Party, Gamer, Jock, etc. The media helps over-emphasize things to the point that what we get is a simple linear thing that can fit in a paragraph definition. Sects, individuality, or anything else of that matter? Nope. Straight label.
I agree... 'Murica!
| Rune wrote: | | What I'm trying to say is that there are other philosophies that seem to offer the same benefits as libertarianism that I do like, that are still better equipped to handle those kinds of social problems and offer social benefits that libertarianism does not seem equipped to address. |
And because of that is where I enjoy believe I can support a group, in part and still also feel support for other groups that I find ideal in other areas. The truth is though, any one label in America, thanks to being the way we said above, will change. Look at Republicans now vs 20 years ago. The Neo-Republicans that are more imperialists than their original option which was actually quite libertarian and believed in no foreign intervention or preemptive war as a group. (That doesn't sound anything like what they are) Yet people still support them that don't even believe in the ideas expressed in the party. Because..."IT'S US VS THEM MAAAAAAAN!!" If you're not supporting Republican, you're a communist, socialist, baby killing, family destroying Democrat! I hate our stupid manipulative system that pits people into 2 sides.
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redrose
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ilikerunning
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Forlorn Devil wrote: | I think you guys haven't read or ignored this part of their page
| Quote: | 2. Establish a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charity
If the federal government's attempt at charity has been a dismal failure, private efforts have been much more successful. America is the most generous nation on earth. We already contribute more than $125 billion annually to charity. However, as we phase out inefficient government welfare, private charities must be able to step up and fill the void.
To help facilitate this transfer of responsibility from government welfare to private charity, the federal government should offer a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charities that provide social-welfare services. That is to say, if an individual gives a dollar to charity, he should be able to reduce his tax liability by a dollar. |
Its not that they want people to fend for themselves without a social safety net, just not one provided by the government. They think much of the responsibility should be transferred to charities that provide social welfare services, and encourage donations to these charities through tax credits.
I like the sound of that approach, but I think there still needs to be a temporary government safety net that helps provide education and job placement programs, since I don't think charities can do it all alone. |
oops, yeah i did not read the other sections, and i should have read the whole page *becomes embarrassed*
ya i dont agree with them but thats a lot different than how i interpreted it 😕
thanks for clarifying and ill try not to jump to conclusions next time😳 |
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ilikerunning
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| fritterdonut wrote: | | I'm not even going to try anymore. |
I should apologize to you because I totally jumped to conclusions in spite of any of your previous posts  |
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