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Explain women only spaces to me.
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

his exact words were

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It would make me feel better if the feminist line for woman only spaces was; "They may be necessary from time to time but they are fundamentally wrong and represent a failure on our part to find a better, more just solution."


it puts all the blame on the people who set those spaces up and support them; he explicitly calls on the people who set those spaces up and support them to "acknowledge" that what they've done is "fundamentally wrong" and "a failure on their part." the distinction was made for him about clubs and safe spaces and so on, and he stuck to it. he ignored every argument and explanation for why not even "women-only clubs"* are wrong (e.g. the rest of the world is the men-only space, which perpetuate the problems that create the necessity for women-only spaces). his ideal solution is not for the men who creep on women at the gym or grope them on the train or belittle them in a thousand subtle ways on the street and perpetuate a culture that mocks and denigrates everything to do with women to take responsibility for the necessity of women-only spaces; it's for the people who set those spaces up to take responsibility for all those things that those men do. it's, dare i say, blaming the victim.

*incidentally, long after this thread Ennis made an even better analogy to explain it here

he stuck to his "women-only spaces = that menstrual tent thing i saw at a concert once" line regardless of explanation otherwise, which is rather odd for someone who professes to want the whole thing explained to him. and then he made empty complaints about a lack of Platonic forms or whatever as his excuse for leaving. and at no point did he ever actually address the real problem with his logic. and he only left once he'd been able to say his piece, which was the same as what he started with, which means nobody anything said registered with him, and thus he didn't really want anyone to "explain women-only spaces to him," he wanted a platform to rail against the idea of it.

no, he was not here in good faith. which makes him just like all the other obnoxious slobs who've stumbled through this forum professing to just "want an explanation" about something, but once one is provided, they show their true colors and prove that they just wanted a platform to whine and the rest of the forum insolently got in their way by disagreeing.

oh, and taking whatever opportunity is presented to self-importantly lecture people on beliefs nobody asked you for**! another great bad politician trait. you're a natural!

**protip: since i know you'll go here, reread my post again, and note that i did not actually ask for your opinion
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really liked Ennis's response that you linked. Thank you for that.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and thank you for addressing my questions and staying mostly on topic. Some of the responses may have been a little short with me but overall much nicer than I was expecting.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is this fucking dick clown?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis J. Squidbunny wrote:
Who is this fucking dick clown?


I am a nobody in a vast universe of nobodies simply passing through this short existence we call life.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And kind of a wanker.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-prophet: the only way any of us can judge anyone else here is by the words they post. we can't even be totally sure of the emotion behinds the words - just what people actually write down.

some people start out by putting together words that strongly suggest they are misogynistic, uninformed, illogical, willfully ignorant or any number of other things that make them really annoying to converse with. and more than a few of them support our initial opinion by continuing to post the same sort of thing.

those people do tend to get very short shrift here. drowemus is one of those people. i think if you will go through the threads, you will find a lot of newbies, who do not immediately come across as know-it-all-clowns, do get polite responses. you can't assume that even someone with a small number of posts has not already managed to establish a reputation in the forum. some people really start with a bang.

others start like pompous twits; they tend to get treated more as objects of amusement than of derision. but we will see how well that holds up.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
anti-prophet: the only way any of us can judge anyone else here is by the words they post. we can't even be totally sure of the emotion behinds the words - just what people actually write down.

some people start out by putting together words that strongly suggest they are misogynistic, uninformed, illogical, willfully ignorant or any number of other things that make them really annoying to converse with. and more than a few of them support our initial opinion by continuing to post the same sort of thing.

those people do tend to get very short shrift here. drowemus is one of those people. i think if you will go through the threads, you will find a lot of newbies, who do not immediately come across as know-it-all-clowns, do get polite responses. you can't assume that even someone with a small number of posts has not already managed to establish a reputation in the forum. some people really start with a bang.

others start like pompous twits; they tend to get treated more as objects of amusement than of derision. but we will see how well that holds up.


I can see that and I have been a lurker for more than a year, so I have seen some of it. I am not sure why this specific case jumped to me other than the strong way people reacted to him. He definitely has worded things wrong in many cases but it was not in a way that I would understand such strong reactions, but I can not put myself in everyone's shoes but just hope for people to think twice even if there still are mean anyways.
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