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Democrats finally go on the offensive. (It's about time.)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Democrats finally go on the offensive. (It's about time.) Reply with quote

http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/feeds/ap/2006/09/24/ap3040627.html

Dems Use Intel Report to Attack GOP
By NEDRA PICKLER , 09.24.2006, 02:19 PM

Democrats on Sunday seized on an intelligence assessment that said the Iraq war has increased the terrorist threat, saying it was further evidence that Americans should chose new leadership in the November elections.

The Democrats hoped the report would undermine the GOP's image as the party more capable of handing terrorism as the campaign enters its final six-week stretch.

Their criticisms came in a collection of statements sent to reporters Sunday amid the disclosure of a National Intelligence Estimate that concluded the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The report was completed in April and represented a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, according to an intelligence official. The official, confirming accounts first published in Sunday's New York Times and Washington Post, spoke on condition of anonymity on Sunday because the report is classified.

"Unfortunately this report is just confirmation that the Bush administration's stay-the-course approach to the Iraq war has not just made the war more difficult and more deadly for our troops, but has also made the war on terror more dangerous for every American," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, head of the Democratic effort to take control of the House.

"It's time for a new direction in this country," Emanuel, D-Ill., said in the statement.

"Press reports say our nation's intelligence services have confirmed that President Bush's repeated missteps in Iraq and his stubborn refusal to change course have made America less safe," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "No election-year White House PR campaign can hide this truth."

A White House spokesman, Blair Jones, said, "We don't comment on classified documents." But he said the published accounts' "characterization of the NIE is not representative of the complete document."

The White House issued a written rebuttal that argued administration officials have been making some of the same arguments as in the intelligence estimate. A White House strategy booklet released this month described the terrorists as more dispersed and less centralized and still a threat to the United States.

Bush himself said on Sept. 5 that "terrorist danger remains" and the broader terrorist movement is becoming more spread out and self-directed. He also quoted Osama bin Laden describing Iraq as the central battlefield in the fight against terrorism.

The president has said the United States is safer since the Sept. 11 attacks and that fighting the terrorists in Iraq keeps them from attacking America.

Democrats said Bush had misled people about Iraq's contribution to the terrorist threat.

"This intelligence document should put the final nail in the coffin for President Bush's phony argument about the Iraq war," said Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. "Despite what President Bush says, the intelligence community has reported the plain truth - the misguided war in Iraq has 'metastasized and spread' terrorism like cancer around the world."

Rep. Jane Harman, the leading Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee and one of a few lawmakers to have read the classified report, said she agrees with the findings.

"Even capturing the remaining top al-Qaida leadership isn't going to prevent copycat cells, and it isn't going to change a failed policy in Iraq," she said. "This administration is trying to change the subject. I don't think voters are going to buy that."

Three leading Republicans - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky - defended the war in Iraq and said it is vital that U.S. troops stay in the fight.

McConnell suggested that the fight in Iraq has stopped terrorists from attacking the U.S. and leaving would only create "a breeding ground for attacks here at home."

"Attacks here at home stopped when we started fighting al-Qaida where they live, rather than responding after they hit," McDonnell said in a statement.

McCain told CBS' "Face the Nation" that if the U.S. were to fail in Iraq, "then our problems will be much more complicated."

But at least one Republican - Sen. Arleen Specter of Pennsylvania - said he was very concerned about the intelligence report and agreed that the war had intensified Islamic fundamentalism.

"I think there is a much more fundamental issue how we respond," he said on CNN's "Late Edition." "And that is what we do with the Iraq war itself. That's the focal point for inspiring more radical Islam fundamentalism, and that's a problem that nobody seems to have an answer to."



Associated Press writer Jim Drinkard contributed to this report.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this story earlier today, my first thought was "And anyone with half a brain has known this for how long now?" Well at least there is finally something offical out there...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seraphine wrote:
I saw this story earlier today, my first thought was "And anyone with half a brain has known this for how long now?" Well at least there is finally something offical out there...

Something official being classified.
Am I mistaken or did we NOT fight the terrorists "where they lived" because Iraq wasn't home to Al Quaeda?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Attacks here at home stopped when we started fighting al-Qaida where they live, rather than responding after they hit


this statement doesnt exactly strike me as logical... We havent had a 9/11 since 9/11 so it must be the war in iraq that stopped them. I made a point to ag a long time ago that just because were fighting them over there... doesnt mean they cant attack us over here. Now even with a report that is classified for being, near as i can tell COMMON SENSE, they hold on to the idea that somehow iraq makes us safer.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

death_to_dib wrote:
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Attacks here at home stopped when we started fighting al-Qaida where they live, rather than responding after they hit


this statement doesnt exactly strike me as logical...

Not to mention it's essentially saying "We drew them to Iraq, turning it into the world's most violent and insurgent-ridden cesspool so that they'd stop coming to America."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty much on topic

Clinton lays the smackdown on FOX
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clinton is far from perfect but one thing i do admire about the man that i seem to see everytime he speaks is that he is willing to admit his faults. I also dont blame him for being a little irate that someone expected him take heat for a situation when he tried like hell to kill it early. I do miss the days when all it took was a blowjob in the oval office to get the other party screaming for blood.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

death_to_dib wrote:
I do miss the days when all it took was a blowjob in the oval office to get the other party screaming for blood.

I only wish this statement weren't so damn true.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay for a scandal the dems can finally sink their teeth into!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shame the article didn't mention the part about prisons as a breeding ground.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: sigh Reply with quote

I don't care about putting this into Democrats v. Republicans. I'm just sort of astounded by how many people didn't already know this.

Iraq has made us less safe. BIG DUH, WOY.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd hazard to guess, sam, that the general run of citizens of the united states of america are not quite on the ball when it comes to awareness of current events.

Or is it just the dissemination that they're fucking up on?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kame wrote:
I'd hazard to guess, sam, that the general run of citizens of the united states of america are not quite on the ball when it comes to awareness of current events.

Or is it just the dissemination that they're fucking up on?


...waitasecond, you're making fun of us! That's not very nic- whazzat? Alberto Jimenez is the Surgeon General? Attorney? I'm so confused. Isn't Cribs on yet?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
death_to_dib wrote:
I do miss the days when all it took was a blowjob in the oval office to get the other party screaming for blood.

I only wish this statement weren't so damn true.


Ya know, one could make an argument that this scandal did distract focus away from Osama and the Taliban before they became more powerful...Oh wait, nevermind, the history channel already covered that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fjafjan wrote:
pretty much on topic

Clinton lays the smackdown on FOX


that was pretty cool, but uh... how long do you get to keep the title 'president'?
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