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Feb. 25: SLACKERS!

 
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Mr. Meddler



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:01 am    Post subject: Feb. 25: SLACKERS! Reply with quote



We haven't seen him in a while.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Reality is unrealistic Reply with quote

A bit of "reality is unrealistic" here: not only do both the US and Russia have far fewer nukes than 25 years ago due to various treaties, even the right-most wingnuts in the US military are basically pretty happy about the draw-down in numbers. Why? Because nukes are expensive, hard to maintain, and in the bargain, pretty much useless. They'd rather see money spent on toys they actually get to play with instead. If they're unhappy about anything with nukes, it's that those blankety-blank commies might be cheating on their treaty obligations.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Uncle Sam supposed to be Mr. Rooney?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides everybody knows that Stealth Drones are where it is at these days.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The likes Of Monique and Meek Devil Girl are also making them enjoyable (tolerable!) as a nation. There is nothing wrong with those two characters to be the ones to rediscover What Is Fun.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abby! 'Nique! Squeeeeeeeeee!

I suspect that things are going to catch up with them at some point and Abby's going to get in trouble for this, sadly...

As for nukes that Uncle Sam can actually play with, didn't Bush the Younger have some sort of plans for smaller bunker-busting nukes or something?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
As for nukes that Uncle Sam can actually play with, didn't Bush the Younger have some sort of plans for smaller bunker-busting nukes or something?

Close, but not exactly. There was a plan for what was called the "Reliable Replacement Warhead", or RRW (sometimes also called the "Robust" Replacement Warhead), the impetus for which came more from Congress than Shrub himself. The idea was that as the stockpile was being reduced -- and at all times, the plan was (and remains) to reduce it -- the older, hard-to-maintain nukes would largely disappear and be replaced by the easier-to-maintain RRW, which could be used for many different roles depending on how it was packaged. Presumably bunker buster could have been one of those roles. Around 2008 Congress realized that all this was a dumb idea, since RRW development was going to cost as much as or more than what would have been saved by reduced maintenance costs, and pulled the funding for the project. The Obama administration subsequently canceled it and it has not resurfaced. Programs to turn one of the existing bombs into a bunker buster were in place then and continue now, even as the overall number of nukes out there continues to decline to meet treaty obligations. Those programs pre-dated Shrub and were in the nature of "refurbishment."

I worked for years in the arms-control business, under both Republican and Democratic administrations, and this comic hits something of a sore spot for me because it is so basically incorrect. Heaven knows, there are plenty of things to criticize the national gestalt for, but this one pretty well misses the boat.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
Abby! 'Nique! Squeeeeeeeeee!

I suspect that things are going to catch up with them at some point and Abby's going to get in trouble for this, sadly...
Yeah, I see a customer complaint being filed.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh.
Question: does Uncle Sam have ANY redeeming qualities, or is that what Liberty is? Everything good he once valued and has left behind?
(and maybe vice versa, though I've seen nothing to suggest that beyond the fact that they used to be very close and now seem to basically be complete opposites)

A friend linked me this comic:
http://sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4887

And if he's right there next to Sleaze and... I don't think I've seen any of the comics with that werepig, but I'm assuming he's another alter-ego. Anyway, if he's right next to Sleaze, who is an irredeemable demonic Slick made of everything Slick is trying to distance himself from, does that mean Sam's similarly irredeemable?
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Moor



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swicked: I'd say that, currently, Sam doesn't have any redeeming qualities, although I don't remember every single strip, so I could be mistaken. That said, I think that he's still a redeemable character...

Actually, no. He has at least one redeeming quality -- I'm pretty sure he does, actually, honestly love Liberty. And he's shown as being more completely unaware that what he's doing is wrong, rather than actively being evil. So I'd say that while he doesn't have many redeemable qualities, he's not irredeemable.

Also, Liberty is less everything good he once values, and more everything good that he ( == America ) should be. Uncle Sam being the bad parts of America as it is.

But I think Sleeze is a different case. He's right next to Sam (and also Were-Squig, who yes, is an alter ego, who consumes porn rabidly), but whereas Sam is his own character, Sleeze is a personified component of Slick's character. Sleeze is Slick's evil personified, and so isn't redeemable (a similar thing goes for Were-Squig). But Sam is a whole character, and a different case.

Additionally -- and we should probably at some point try to more rigorously classify everything, because this is a source of a lot of confusion -- this strip is "less canonical" than most, because it's a concept strip: Tat basically thought "Heh. That would be a funny idea", and pulling in characters he had to match. But it's not a perfect match, and so characters' personalities aren't perfectly accurately represented.
A similar, more obvious case of this, is the Resistance to the Matriarchy series a while ago. Criminy doesn't fit in at all -- engaging in violent, "manly", rebellion is completely out of character. But Tat needed a trio (narrative stuff. You need an audience to be a leader, and you can't just have an audience of one). So Criminy was forced into the roll. But that doesn't change his actual character.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moor wrote:
You need an audience to be a leader, and you can't just have an audience of one).


well, you _can_...but you don't look too impressive.
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Moor



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can by the literal definition of audience, but not the narrative role filled by an audience, which is what's important here.
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