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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Jesus Camp Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE

Anyone seen this film yet?
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A film on kids' religious experience creates a furor, divides Christians.
By Gina Piccalo
LA Times Staff Writer

September 25, 2006

"Jesus Camp," a documentary feature film that follows evangelical Christian children at a religious summer camp, won prizes and critical praise on the summer festival circuit, but it wasn't until its quiet opening in the Midwest two weeks ago that a news clip about the film hit YouTube.com, inciting a whirlwind of controversy.

Already, the movie, which opens in L.A. this week, has split the Christian community and horrified those who fear the ascendance of the religious right on the national stage. "Jesus Camp" opened Friday in New York and will open in 20 more cities nationally Oct. 6.

Bloggers of all stripes have been so disgusted by the bits of the film they have seen on the Web that the film's central subject, camp founder Pastor Becky Fischer, has become a public figure, bombarded with hateful e-mails and bracing for her media appearances next week, including a scheduled appearance on ABC's "Good Morning America." The A&E Indiefilms/Magnolia Pictures film follows Rachael, now 10, Levi, now 13, and Tory, now 11, engaging and articulate children from Midwestern towns who attend Fischer's "Kids on Fire" Bible camp in Devils Lake, N.D., in 2005. The filmmakers, Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady, take a straightforward look at their subjects.

The film's cherub-faced children cheer when asked if they'd be willing to give up their lives for Jesus, pray over a cardboard cutout of President Bush and sob as they plead for an end to abortion. One is home-schooled by a mother who teaches that "science doesn't prove anything."

'This is war!'

At one point in the film, Fischer shouts to the children, "This is war! Are you part of it or not?" She proudly compares her work to the indoctrination of young boys by extremist Muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere. The film intersperses footage of Fischer and the children with clips of radio talk-show host Mike Papantonio, a liberal Methodist, excoriating conservative Christians like Fischer.

Fischer is disappointed by the way she appears in the film. "I do understand they're out to tell a story and they felt they found it with some of the political things," she said by phone from her home in Bismarck, N.D. "And they're out to show the most dramatic, exotic, extreme things they found in my ministry, and I'm not ashamed of those things, but without context, it's really difficult to defend what you're seeing on the screen."

More controversy over the film erupted last week when the Rev. Ted Haggard whose constituency at the National Assn. of Evangelicals is 30 million strong took a public stance against it, claiming that the film makes evangelicals look "scary." His condemnation apparently chilled the film's opening in 13 theaters in Colorado, Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri on Sept. 15.

Even before its release, lurid fascination with the film's trailer bloomed on the Internet. A Sept. 17 ABC News report on the movie turned up on YouTube.com shortly after it aired, and by the next day, the segment was the website's most-viewed clip, with about 200,000 downloads in a matter of hours.

When Fischer arrived home Tuesday after a few days touring with the filmmakers, her e-mail inbox was loaded with hate mail. She spent the next two days writing lengthy explanations to the most common accusations "How dare you brainwash those kids!" and "Are you raising up Christian terrorists or another Hitler Youth movement?" then posted them on her website Thursday.

"I've gotten thousands of hits on my website from those people," she said. "I'm wearing sunglasses in the airports. It's really making me nervous."

Haggard who appears in the film noting that when evangelicals vote, they determine an election acknowledged he "hated" the film and called it "propaganda" for the far left. He said the filmmakers take the charismatic, evangelical jargon too literally and portray the children's and Fischer's "war talk" as violent and extremist, when it's just allegorical.

"It doesn't mean we're going to establish a theocracy and force people to obey what they think is God's law," he said. "None of that's clarified in the movie."

Word about the film initially spread online after the Tribeca Film Festival screening in New York in April and then again in June, after former Talking Heads lead singer David Byrne saw it at the AFI/Discovery Silver Docs Film Festival in Washington, D.C., and mentioned it on his blog.

"I kept saying to myself, 'OK, these are the Christian version of the Madrassas (those Islamic religious instructional schools in Pakistan and elsewhere, often financed by Saudi oil money) so both sides are pretty much equally sick," he wrote.

It garnered even more attention in early August when Michael Moore refused to honor a request by Eamonn Bowles, the head of Magnolia Pictures, to cancel the film's screening at Moore's Traverse City Film Festival to avoid alienating conservative Christian audiences.

Bowles hoped to build interest among conservative Christians for the film's opening with a word-of-mouth campaign generated by faith-based publicity firm A. Larry Ross in Carrollton, Texas. Instead, only handfuls of people turned out.

"We were getting good feedback from a lot of Christian groups interested in the film," Bowles said. After Haggard's statements, he said, "it was almost like a switch was flipped and the people who were going to support it the day before were like, 'Oh no. We're not going to support the film.' "

The New York-based Ewing and Grady said they want the film to make a broad statement about how politics and faith have become inexorably intertwined in America. Yet the conversations that have been sparked by the movie are less about the stark differences between people with different ideologies and more about the interest in bridging them. "No one's going anywhere and no one's going to change their minds," Grady said. "So some sort of compromise has to happen, or we're just going to become more and more divided."

All the controversy surrounding the film, Grady said, "speaks to the fact that this is a conversation that people are dying to have."

A political turn

Grady and Ewing, who last year won awards for their documentary "The Boys of Baraka" about a group of inner-city American kids attending a school in Africa, said everyone was enthusiastic about participating in the project. But as Fischer explained, no one, including the filmmakers, expected the film to become so overtly political. But after Sandra Day O'Connor resigned from the Supreme Court during their filming, leaving a spot open for a more conservative judge, the evangelical community galvanized around the selection of a replacement, and Fischer's children chanted, "Righteous judges!" Ultimately, though, Fischer said, "no one was more shocked or horrified when they told me that was the turn the film was making." That's because, like many evangelical Christians, Fischer doesn't see what she does as political.

The Bible, she said, instructs people to "pray for those in authority over us and in government positions so we can live a peaceful life." And Fischer said she's "dumbfounded" that people would find her anti-abortion lessons disturbing when she sees them as a way to teach children to value human life.

Despite her reservations about the film, Fischer said she's still helping to promote it and considers Ewing and Grady friends. She's also grateful for the national attention the movie and its controversy have granted her. "I couldn't have paid for this kind of advertising," she said.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-jesus25sep25,1,7972689.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&ctrack=1&cset=true

All I've got to say from just seeing the trailer is that it brings back so many memories of going to church camp when I was a kid and VBS and church revivals. And I was utterly earnest and wept and shouted and danced and prayed. And my perspective has changed so much. Seeing it now saddens and scares me and yet I can still remember that yearning for that invisible mystery.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is just...sad.

All I can say is that, thankfully, that sort of crap doesn't happen down here. And it makes me fucking pissed that sort of crap is allowed.

...

All I can wonder is if the beliefs are forced on the children or they accepted them on thier own...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I wonder, I do wonder indeed. *smokes pipe*

No, really, I don't, it's parents that are sending these kids to these camps. I'll also go out on a limb and say that the parents also have a hand in the upbringing of these children, I'll even skip out to the far edge of the limb and say that they may have some influence on these kids' religious upbringing.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is America...Children here are raised by television and the internet! The only hand parents have in it is paying for the television and internet!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I wouldn't be surprised at that at all. *smokes pipe*

Parents have been known to force their beliefs to children everywhere. *nod*
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Jesus Camp Reply with quote

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More controversy over the film erupted last week when the Rev. Ted Haggard whose constituency at the National Assn. of Evangelicals is 30 million strong took a public stance against it, claiming that the film makes evangelicals look "scary."

Anybody who knows much about Haggard knows that he's enough to make evangelicals look "scary" on his own. Of course he doesn't want to force his beliefs on anybody, which is why when he came to town he had his annoy most of the pagans out of their homes and all that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an atheist, I am currently fearing for my future.
But I'll forget this in three hours, and it'll be alright...

I do hope.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why 3 hours?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Victim Here wrote:
As an atheist, I am currently fearing for my future.


are you sure you are an atheist then?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The film's cherub-faced children cheer when asked if they'd be willing to give up their lives for Jesus, pray over a cardboard cutout of President Bush and sob as they plead for an end to abortion. One is home-schooled by a mother who teaches that "science doesn't prove anything."

'This is war!'

At one point in the film, Fischer shouts to the children, "This is war! Are you part of it or not?" She proudly compares her work to the indoctrination of young boys by extremist Muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere.


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Haggard who appears in the film noting that when evangelicals vote, they determine an election acknowledged he "hated" the film and called it "propaganda" for the far left. He said the filmmakers take the charismatic, evangelical jargon too literally and portray the children's and Fischer's "war talk" as violent and extremist, when it's just allegorical.

"It doesn't mean we're going to establish a theocracy and force people to obey what they think is God's law," he said. "None of that's clarified in the movie."


yeeah....sure.....ooooookaaaay
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a lovely continuation on the link that wheels posted. Equally scary!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the movie comes out where i live in october. I do plan on seeing it. Heard about it awhile back Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rm wrote:
The Victim Here wrote:
As an atheist, I am currently fearing for my future.


are you sure you are an atheist then?


Since when does being an atheist mean you don't care about your own future?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you worry about GOING TO HELL like Pantsman clearly is, you're probably not really an atheist.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: the article cut out my cultural savvy by mentioning them Reply with quote

I have long been afraid of the product of the American Madrassa.
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